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Hi Mordy,
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there are two theories about cooling and water flow.
=20
1. Slow speed of the water in the radiator to give the water time =
to cool. That means slowing down
2. The other theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, high =
coolant speed.
=20
In a way I prefer the 2nd way. And I=E2=80=99ll test this version in the =
coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors and see what happens.
=20
Cheers
Chris
=20
Von: Mordy Dunst [mailto:gasket.works@gte.net]=20
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 22:45
An: tr4racing@googlemail.com; van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=20
Chris your the engineer....
Heat produced vs heat removed. There will be a steady state at some =
point. You would like it lower. Don"t underestimate the headgasket =
component of channeling coolant flow. In the TR4 motor i made the =
coolant holes different than original to allow the mass flow of water to =
occur from the rear of the motor forward. I also put a pressure gauge =
on my coolant. If the pressure is too low it will not cool as =
efficiently either. I don"t know what the coolant dwell time with in =
the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat generated. Nor the =
dwell time in the radiator. There certainly calcs for all this stuff. =20
=20
MDunst
Headgasket.com
626.628.3777 F
Triple R Munitions, Inc
626.201.9471 T
FFL 6,7 SOT 2
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
tr4racing@googlemail.com>
van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>; 'MadMarx' < =
Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
I have a 160F thermostat installed.
Next test will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it =
goes with that.
=20
Chris
=20
mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be]=20
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01
tr4racing@googlemail.com>
Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=20
My diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What =
coolant thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, =
perhaps it is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 thermostat.
Marcel
=20
_____ =20
mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens MadMarx
Verzonden: donderdag 7 juli 2016 19:21
Aan: 'FOT List'
Onderwerp: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
Hi guys,
=20
My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've =
experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing =
pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and =
outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump =
more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, =
currently 1:1 speed. Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.
=20
Cheers
Chris
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Hi Mordy,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>there are two theories about cooling and water =
flow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Slow speed of the water in the radiator to give the water =
time to cool. That means slowing down<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>The other theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, =
high coolant speed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>In a way I prefer the 2<sup>nd</sup> way. And I=E2=80=99ll =
test this version in the coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the =
restrictors and see what happens.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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style=3D'mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Mordy Dunst [mailto:gasket.works@gte.net] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, =
10. Juli 2016 22:45<br><b>An:</b> tr4racing@googlemail.com; =
van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be<br><b>Cc:</b> =
fot@autox.team.net<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Chr=
is your the engineer....<br><br>Heat produced vs heat removed. =
There will be a steady state at some point. You would like it =
lower. Don"t underestimate the headgasket component of =
channeling coolant flow. In the TR4 motor i made the coolant holes =
different than original to allow the mass flow of water to occur from =
the rear of the motor forward. I also put a pressure gauge =
on my coolant. If the pressure is too low it will not cool as =
efficiently either. I don"t know what the coolant dwell =
time with in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat =
generated. Nor the dwell time in the radiator. There =
certainly calcs for all this stuff. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>MDu=
nst<br>Headgasket.com<br>626.628.3777 F<br>Triple R Munitions, =
Inc<br>626.201.9471 T<br>FFL 6,7 SOT =
2<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: MadMarx <</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a></span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>>=
;<br>To: 'Marcel Van Mulders' <</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a></span=
><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>>=
;; 'MadMarx' <</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a></span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>>=
;<br>Cc: fot <</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a></span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>>=
;<br>Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have a 160F thermostat =
installed.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US'>Next test will be without any restrictions, =
maximum flow and see how it goes with that.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chris</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>V=
on:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Marcel Van Mulders [<a =
href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be?";><u><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></u></a>]=
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01<br><b>An:</b> =
'MadMarx' <<a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";><u><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></u></a>><br><b>Cc=
:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><u><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>fot@autox.team.net</span></u></a><br><b>Betreff:</b>=
RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>My =
diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What coolant =
thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, perhaps =
it is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 =
thermostat.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>Marc=
el</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
lang=3DNL style=3D'color:black'><hr size=3D5 width=3D"100%" =
align=3Dcenter></span></div><div style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Va=
n:</span></b><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank"><u><span =
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<b>Namens </b>MadMarx<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 7 juli 2016 =
19:21<br><b>Aan:</b> 'FOT List'<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><span =
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>Hi guys,</span><span =
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>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. </span><span =
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>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.</span><span =
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>Cheers</span><span =
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>Chris</span><span =
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