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I like your idea.
If the radiator maintains the 50F drop with higher flow, then the engine =
temperature could drop, right?
=20
Cheers
Chris
=20
Von: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com]=20
Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Juli 2016 00:23
An: MadMarx
Cc: Mordy Dunst; van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; fot@autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=20
Yes, outlet temperature of the block is lower, outlet temperature of the =
radiator is higher. Delta-T across the radiator is lower. Think of it =
this way, Q (heat transfer) is stable at some operating point. The =
excess heat from the engine is equal to the heat removed from the =
radiator. Ignore the heat transfer coefficient for the moment.=20
So Q for radiator =3D mass x (Tin-Tout) and Q for engine is mass x =
(Tout-Tin). Q and M is the same for both engine and radiator and Tin of =
=3D Tout of engine, likewise Tout of radiator =3D Tin of engine.
=20
Obvious, right. So hold everything stable and increase flow rate. =
Obviously Tin-Tout must decrease as does Tout-Tin. The operating =
temperature will depend solely on the temperature drop across the =
radiator. If you and a lower operating temp at that Q you need a lower =
Tout of the radiator.=20
=20
If you increase engine load and RPM, the mass flow rate increases with =
RPM, but not linearly since it=E2=80=99s a centrifugal pump. Slip gets =
worse with RPM. The high flow rate system has a lower delta-t across the =
engine, but also has a lower delta-t across the radiator. Temperature =
will likely climb higher than with a lower flow rate system (depending =
on where you measure it, but heat transfer rate is lower, so you might =
reach a point where it=E2=80=99s inadequate to meet the engine demand. =
then Tout climbs quickly and shit happens.=20
=20
=20
On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:48 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com> wrote:
=20
I think alot depends on where the system finds ist balance point.
If more flow removes heat quicker from the engine maybe the outlet =
temperature of the block is lower?
So the difference of the radiator outlet might not be so much of a =
problem?
The water stays shorter in the block and don=E2=80=99t pick up that much =
temperature?
=20
Interesting thing to test.
=20
Cheers
Chris
=20
mailto:ponobill@gmail.com]=20
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juli 2016 23:41
An: MadMarx
fot@autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=20
Well, you=E2=80=99ll need to get comfortable with a higher no-load =
temperature, because the radiator outlet temperature will be high.=20
=20
Two factors to consider: Heat, which is the amount of energy =
transferred, and temperature, which relates to heat transfer only in =
terms of the differential temperature. Slow speed means less mass flow =
and therefore less heat transfer but a higher differential temperature =
across the radiator, high speed means more heat transfer but less =
differential temperature across the radiator.=20
=20
tr4racing@googlemail.com> wrote:
=20
Hi Mordy,
=20
there are two theories about cooling and water flow.
=20
1. Slow speed of the water in the radiator to give the water time =
to cool. That means slowing down
2. The other theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, high =
coolant speed.
=20
In a way I prefer the 2nd way. And I=E2=80=99ll test this version in the =
coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors and see what happens.
=20
Cheers
Chris
=20
mailto:gasket.works@gte.net]=20
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 22:45
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=20
Chris your the engineer....
Heat produced vs heat removed. There will be a steady state at some =
point. You would like it lower. Don"t underestimate the headgasket =
component of channeling coolant flow. In the TR4 motor i made the =
coolant holes different than original to allow the mass flow of water to =
occur from the rear of the motor forward. I also put a pressure gauge =
on my coolant. If the pressure is too low it will not cool as =
efficiently either. I don"t know what the coolant dwell time with in =
the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat generated. Nor the =
dwell time in the radiator. There certainly calcs for all this stuff. =20
=20
MDunst
<http://headgasket.com/> Headgasket.com
626.628.3777 F
Triple R Munitions, Inc
626.201.9471 T
FFL 6,7 SOT 2
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
tr4racing@googlemail.com>
van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>; 'MadMarx' < =
Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
I have a 160F thermostat installed.
Next test will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it =
goes with that.
=20
Chris
=20
mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be]=20
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01
tr4racing@googlemail.com>
Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=20
My diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What =
coolant thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, =
perhaps it is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 thermostat.
Marcel
=20
_____ =20
mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens MadMarx
Verzonden: donderdag 7 juli 2016 19:21
Aan: 'FOT List'
Onderwerp: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
Hi guys,
=20
My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've =
experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing =
pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and =
outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump =
more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, =
currently 1:1 speed. Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.
=20
Cheers
Chris
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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I like your idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If the radiator maintains the 50F drop with higher flow, then the =
engine temperature could drop, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, =
12. Juli 2016 00:23<br><b>An:</b> MadMarx<br><b>Cc:</b> Mordy Dunst; =
van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; fot@autox.team.net<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: =
[Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yes, outlet =
temperature of the block is lower, outlet temperature of the radiator is =
higher. Delta-T across the radiator is lower. Think of it this way, Q =
(heat transfer) is stable at some operating point. The excess heat from =
the engine is equal to the heat removed from the radiator. Ignore the =
heat transfer coefficient for the moment. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So Q for radiator =3D mass x (Tin-Tout) and Q for =
engine is mass x (Tout-Tin). Q and M is the same for both engine and =
radiator and Tin of =3D Tout of engine, likewise Tout of radiator =
=3D Tin of engine.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Obvious, right. So hold everything stable and increase =
flow rate. Obviously Tin-Tout must decrease as does Tout-Tin. The =
operating temperature will depend solely on the temperature drop across =
the radiator. If you and a lower operating temp at that Q you need a =
lower Tout of the radiator. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If you increase engine load and RPM, the mass flow =
rate increases with RPM, but not linearly since it=E2=80=99s a =
centrifugal pump. Slip gets worse with RPM. The high flow rate system =
has a lower delta-t across the engine, but also has a lower delta-t =
across the radiator. Temperature will likely climb higher than with a =
lower flow rate system (depending on where you measure it, but heat =
transfer rate is lower, so you might reach a point where it=E2=80=99s =
inadequate to meet the engine demand. then Tout climbs quickly and shit =
happens. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:48 PM, MadMarx <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";>tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>>=
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I think alot depends on where the system finds ist balance =
point.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If more flow removes heat quicker from the engine maybe the outlet =
temperature of the block is lower?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So the difference of the radiator outlet might not be so much of a =
problem?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The water stays shorter in the block and don=E2=80=99t pick up that =
much temperature?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Interesting thing to test.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span><=
/b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span=
></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Bill =
Babcock [<a href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:ponobill@gmail.com</span></a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Montag, 11. Juli 2016 =
23:41<br><b>An:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>MadMarx<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Mordy Dunst;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a>;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a><br><b>Betreff:</b><s=
pan class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Well, you=E2=80=99ll need to get comfortable with a =
higher no-load temperature, because the radiator outlet temperature will =
be high. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Two factors to consider: Heat, which is the amount of =
energy transferred, and temperature, which relates to heat transfer only =
in terms of the differential temperature. Slow speed means less mass =
flow and therefore less heat transfer but a higher differential =
temperature across the radiator, high speed means more heat transfer but =
less differential temperature across the =
radiator. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:54 PM, MadMarx <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi =
Mordy,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>there are =
two theories about cooling and water =
flow.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1.</span><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'> <span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Slow speed =
of the water in the radiator to give the water time to cool. That means =
slowing down</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2.</span><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'> <span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The other =
theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, high coolant =
speed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In a way I =
prefer the 2<sup>nd</sup><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>way. And I=E2=80=99ll test =
this version in the coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors =
and see what happens.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cheers</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Von:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mordy =
Dunst [<a href=3D"mailto:gasket.works@gte.net";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:gasket.works@gte.net</span></a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 =
22:45<br><b>An:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a>;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a><br><b>Cc:=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a><br><b>Betreff:</b><s=
pan class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Chris your =
the engineer....<br><br>Heat produced vs heat removed. There will =
be a steady state at some point. You would like it lower. =
Don"t underestimate the headgasket component of channeling coolant =
flow. In the TR4 motor i made the coolant holes different than =
original to allow the mass flow of water to occur from the rear of the =
motor forward. I also put a pressure gauge on my =
coolant. If the pressure is too low it will not cool as =
efficiently either. I don"t know what the coolant dwell =
time with in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat =
generated. Nor the dwell time in the radiator. There =
certainly calcs for all this stuff. <span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>MDunst<br><a =
href=3D"http://headgasket.com/";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>Headgasket.com</span></a><br>626.628.3777 =
F<br>Triple R Munitions, Inc<br>626.201.9471 T<br>FFL 6,7 SOT =
2<br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----Original=
Message-----<br>From: MadMarx <</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a></span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>><br>To: =
'Marcel Van Mulders' <</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a></span=
><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>; =
'MadMarx' <</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a></span><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>><br>Cc: =
fot <</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a></span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>><br>Sent:=
Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1"><div><div><div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I have a =
160F thermostat =
installed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Next test =
will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it goes with =
that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Von:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marcel Van =
Mulders [<a href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be?";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a>]<s=
pan class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 =
13:01<br><b>An:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>'MadMarx' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a>><br><b>Cc:<=
/b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a><br><b>Betreff:</b><s=
pan class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>RE: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div>=
<div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>My=
diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What coolant =
thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, perhaps =
it is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 =
thermostat.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Ma=
rcel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
lang=3DNL><hr size=3D5 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><div =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span><=
/b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span=
></span><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</span></a>]<span=
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><b>Namens<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></b>MadMarx<br><b>Verzonden:</=
b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>donderdag 7 juli 2016 =
19:21<br><b>Aan:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>'FOT =
List'<br><b>Onderwerp:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>[Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
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