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Re: autox insurance

To: "David Cramer" <dcramer@translationtech.com>,
Subject: Re: autox insurance
From: "Bruce Haden" <bhaden@ucsd.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:01:28 -0800
> Don't tell me I am pissing and moaning about this.  I am trying to
determine an
> actual solution.  IF you are aware of one I would love to hear it.

Sorry, but you are. Expecting the ins co to pay a claim that they don't
reasonably expect
to have to cover.
>
> And...Why shouldn't insurance companies cover this?

It's a matter of risk vs premium charged. I won't comment on whether Solo2
is safer than
street driving. That's a whole different debate and doesn't matter unless
the Ins Cos care
which apparently they don't. Ever wonder why Life Ins Cos. charge higher
premiums for
sky divers than for a CPA? If they believe you are in a higher category of
risk compared
to the general pool of insured people, you will pay more and/or not be
covered.

Am I not paying my insurance
> bill? We are conditioned to believe that insurance companies have the
right to
> drop us whenever they want and to not insure us all the time.
>
> I know it was my fault. But isn't that what insurance is for? To cover
> accidents, even if they are our fault?
> I understand your point and have accepted full responsibility for my
actions,

No you haven't. You expect the Ins Co to cover you anyway. "Accepting full
responsibility"
means "YOU PAY".

> but I would like to find a solution that allows me autox without worrying
about
> insurance.

I hope you do, but don't complain about the current situation. If on-track
insurance
was so important to you, you should have verified coverage before you hit
the track.
If you find a Co that will insure you, specifically, for track events of
whatever type
I'm sure they will get a lot of business from this group and others. Let us
know
>
> David Cramer
> bmw 330ci
> bmw m3
> honda crx si
>
> Dave Whitworth wrote:
>
> > Not to say that insurance companies haven't been party to some big screw
> > jobs....
> >
> > And not to say that it totally sux that you hit a pole and totaled your
> > car...because it does...
> >
> > But.....people in general piss and moan about insurance rates, and are
> > pretty ruthless in finding the cheapest ones.....then expect an event
like
> > autocrossing to be covered under the basic policy?
> >
> > If you want/need coverage while racing, call K&K and get it - I'm sure
there
> > is some type of policy that will do it.....but why you would expect a
> > regular policy to cover this is beyond me!
> >
> > If they cover your loss, that money eventually costs all of us in
> > premiums....and I don't want to pay for your accident which occurred WAY
> > outside the scope of the policy you purchased.....
> >
> > "This is going to cost me serious cash"
> >
> > It should - it was your mistake.  Life sucks, but there is a risk in any
> > type of speed event - even autocrossing!
> >
> > And, no I don't work for an insurance company....
> >
> > DaveW
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Cramer" <dcramer@translationtech.com>
> > To: <autox@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: autox insurance
> >
> > > I DO have progressive and I HAVE hit a pole while autoxing.  They will
> > > NOT pay  one cent of my car that was totalled.  They sent me a letter
with
> > the section # in my insurance
> > > which states that the insurance is NULL in all "timed events" and that
> > > they will not cover this claim.
> > >
> > > The key words here are "timed events". This is how the insurance
> > > companies are going to try to get out of paying your claim.
> > >
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