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Here's some interesting information to consider about nylon and nyloc nuts:
https://nycoa.com/recent-news/2020/moistureinnylon
On 3/10/25 12:15 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>
> Jay
>
> Iâ??m not familiar enough with the history of your Tiger so it comes
> down to how do you feel about the Nylocks.
>
> Iâ??m assuming they have been on for some time, have not moved and are
> probably very safe.
>
> I would check them, mark them, then regularly inspect the witness
> marks for any movement, then decide.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> *From:* Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 10, 2025 2:42 PM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
> *Cc:* modtiger@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Check Your Nuts
>
> Thoughts on pulling off nylocks and putting on two nuts to jam tight?
>
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 11:37â?¯AM Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
> Jay
>
> As the saying goes â??Stuff Happensâ??.
>
> Nylock nuts are generally fine.  I would say anyone with Nylock
> nuts should put a witness mark on them as an easy visual safety
> check.  Seems to me I have some Nylocks on the front suspension;
> I will check them and put a witness mark on them.
>
> As with any product some are junk.  I remember installing a
> Nylock nut and as I tightened it down the nylon insert popped
> out.  I threw those Nylocks away.
>
> Your situation is most likely OK.  I would check the torque on
> the nuts and put a witness mark on them.
>
> I think the problem we have with why the nut came off is because
> we generally think in terms of static conditions. Vehicles are on
> the move, vibrations can facilitate a nut or bolt to turn.  Iâ??m
> sure there are other dynamic forces working here too but they are
> beyond my grade level.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jay
> Laifman
> *Sent:* Monday, March 10, 2025 1:45 AM
> *To:* modtiger@comcast.net
> *Cc:* tigers@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Check Your Nuts
>
> I remember a light blue Mazda Alpine. What ever happened to it?
>
> I am not sure I understand how friction in the ball causes the
> taper to come lose. But regardless, I think it is pretty likely
> my lower ball joints were sourced from Rick about 1994, and it is
> nyloc only. Are you suggesting they are all an accident away?
>
> On Mar 9, 2025, at 7:43â?¯PM, Tom Hall via Tigers
> <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> 
>
> It's hard to believe that this is still happening. It started
> when Rick at Sunbeam Specialties changed suppliers way back in
> the mid-eighties. The OEM suppliers had always used castle
> nuts and cotter keys, but this new supplier went with the
> Nylock nut design. which Rick initially accepted. My daughter
> had this "accident" happen in her Rotary powered Alpine, back
> in the 80's, a couple of blocks from home, exactly as you
> were, having the lower A-arm fall on the ground, and again
> luckily at low speed.
>
> Rick arranged a meeting with reps for this supplier shortly
> after it happened. Rick and I sat down with them and they
> insisted this this had never happened before and it must have
> been _My fault_. Rick and I talked at length and they told us
> that they were not going to modify their product. Rick however
> changed his receiveal methods so that the Nylok nut was tossed
> and a castle nut and drilled hole were installed in his lower
> ball joint stock from that time until the current time. This
> supplier made an acceptable ball joint but they also deleted
> the copper plating of the genuine OEM supplier. What happened
> is that during storage after manufacturing, moisture got into
> the joint and started the rust process. With only the Nylock
> nut, it was only a matter of time before the friction in the
> joint started to turn the Nylock nut and unscrew it from the
> taper cone.
>
> Conversely, the upper ball joints have also had this Nylock
> nut but I've never heard of anyone loosing one to this
> friction un-screw mechanism. Different loading's, different
> results.
>
> On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 2:19â?¯PM Joe Brown
> <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, I took my Tiger out yesterday for a short
> drive and as I was just about home (maybe a
> hundred yards from my driveway) the right
> front suspension dropped to the ground and I
> skidded several yards before stopping. All I
> could think of was the old stories about
> exploding ball joints.
>
> I walked to my house and threw a floor jack
> and some jack stands in my truck and drove
> back to the Tiger. I managed to get the front
> end jacked up and discovered that the nut on
> the lower ball joint was gone and the lower A
> arm had dropped to the road. My suspension
> pieces are at least 30 years old and the ball
> joints were held on with nylock nuts. I
> managed to wrap a ratchet strap around the
> upper and lower A arms and I was able to
> slowly drive the car into my garage.
>
> I am very lucky that:
>
> 1. I was going pretty slow at the time
>
> 2. The front end landed in some loose gravel
> on the side of the road
>
> 3. None of the body work was damaged
>
> 4. And nothing else in the suspension looks
> to be damaged; just scraped up
>
> If this had happened 5 minutes earlier I would
> have been doing 60 on a winding road and I
> would have wound up in a ditch.
>
> So I'm ordering a new set of ball joints and I
> will drill them out for castle nuts so I don't
> have to worry about a nut working its way
> loose again.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Brown
>
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Here's some interesting information to consider about nylon and
nyloc nuts:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://nycoa.com/recent-news/2020/moistureinnylon";>https://nycoa.com/recent-news/2020/moistureinnylon</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/25 12:15 PM, Ron Fraser via
Tigers wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jay<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Iâ??m not familiar enough with the history of
your Tiger so it comes down to how do you feel about the
Nylocks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Iâ??m assuming they have been on for some
time, have not moved and are probably very safe.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would check them, mark them, then
regularly inspect the witness marks for any movement, then
decide. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jay Laifman
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com";><jay.laifman@gmail.com></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 10, 2025 2:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Fraser <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com";><rfraser@bluefrog.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:modtiger@comcast.net";>modtiger@comcast.net</a>; <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Check Your Nuts<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thoughts on pulling off nylocks and
putting on two nuts to jam tight?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 11:37â?¯AM Ron
Fraser <<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Jay<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As the saying
goes â??Stuff Happensâ??.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nylock nuts
are generally fine. I would say anyone with
Nylock
nuts should put a witness mark on them as an easy
visual safety check. Seems to me I have some
Nylocks on the front suspension; I will check them
and put a witness mark on them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As with any
product some are junk. I remember installing a
Nylock nut and as I tightened it down the nylon
insert popped out. I threw those Nylocks
away.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Your
situation is most likely OK. I would check the
torque on the nuts and put a witness mark on
them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think the
problem we have with why the nut came off is because
we generally think in terms of static
conditions.
Vehicles are on the move, vibrations can facilitate
a nut or bolt to turn. Iâ??m sure there are
other
dynamic forces working here too but they are beyond
my grade level.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Ron
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
Tigers <<a
href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Laifman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 10, 2025 1:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:modtiger@comcast.net";
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">modtiger@comcast.net</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Check Your
Nuts<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I remember a
light blue Mazda Alpine. What ever happened to
it? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am not sure
I understand how friction in the ball causes the
taper to come lose. But regardless, I think it is
pretty likely my lower ball joints were sourced
from Rick about 1994, and it is nyloc only. Are
you suggesting they are all an accident away?
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Mar 9, 2025, at
7:43â?¯PM, Tom Hall via Tigers <<a
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tigers@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>It's hard to believe that this is still
happening. It started when Rick at Sunbeam
Specialties changed suppliers way back in the
mid-eighties. The OEM suppliers had always used
castle nuts and cotter keys, but this new
supplier went with the Nylock nut design. which
Rick initially accepted. My daughter had this
"accident" happen in her Rotary powered
Alpine,
back in the 80's, a couple of blocks from home,
exactly as you were, having the lower A-arm fall
on the ground, and again luckily at low
speed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Rick arranged a meeting with reps for this
supplier shortly after it happened. Rick and I
sat down with them and they insisted this this
had never happened before and it must have been
<u>My fault</u>. Rick and I talked at length
and they told us that they were not going to
modify their product. Rick however changed his
receiveal methods so that the Nylok nut was
tossed and a castle nut and drilled hole were
installed in his lower ball joint stock from
that time until the current time. This supplier
made an acceptable ball joint but they also
deleted the copper plating of the genuine OEM
supplier. What happened is that during storage
after manufacturing, moisture got into the joint
and started the rust process. With only the
Nylock nut, it was only a matter of time before
the friction in the joint started to turn the
Nylock nut and unscrew it from the taper cone.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Conversely, the upper ball joints have also had
this Nylock nut but I've never heard of anyone
loosing one to this friction un-screw
mechanism. Different loading's, different
results.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Sat, Mar
8, 2025 at 2:19â?¯PM Joe
Brown <<a
href="mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So, I took
my Tiger out yesterday
for a short drive and as
I was just about home
(maybe a hundred yards
from my driveway) the
right front
suspension dropped to
the ground and I skidded
several yards before
stopping. All I could
think of was the old
stories about exploding
ball
joints. <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I walked to
my house and threw a
floor jack and some
jack stands in my
truck and drove back
to the Tiger. I
managed to get the
front end jacked up
and discovered that
the nut on the lower
ball joint was gone
and the lower A arm
had dropped to the
road. My suspension
pieces are at least 30
years old and the ball
joints were held on
with nylock nuts. I
managed to wrap a
ratchet strap around
the upper and lower A
arms and I was able to
slowly drive the car
into my
garage. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am very
lucky
that: <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">1. I was
going pretty slow at
the time<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">2. The front
end landed in some
loose gravel on the
side of the
road<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">3. None of
the body work was
damaged<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">4. And
nothing else in the
suspension looks to be
damaged; just scraped
up<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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earlier I would have
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winding road and I
would have wound up in
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