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Hi Tom,
Thanks for the explanation. I was worried that maybe I had done something
wrong when I installed them. I've got an order in for some new ones along
with some tie rod ends and I look forward to getting back on the road.
Thanks,
Joe Brown
On Sun, Mar 9, 2025, 9:47=E2=80=AFPM Tom Hall via Tigers <tigers@autox.team=
.net>
wrote:
> It's hard to believe that this is still happening. It started when Rick
> at Sunbeam Specialties changed suppliers way back in the mid-eighties. T=
he
> OEM suppliers had always used castle nuts and cotter keys, but this new
> supplier went with the Nylock nut design. which Rick initially accepted.
> My daughter had this "accident" happen in her Rotary powered Alpine, back
> in the 80's, a couple of blocks from home, exactly as you were, having th=
e
> lower A-arm fall on the ground, and again luckily at low speed.
>
> Rick arranged a meeting with reps for this supplier shortly after it
> happened. Rick and I sat down with them and they insisted this this had
> never happened before and it must have been *My fault*. Rick and I
> talked at length and they told us that they were not going to modify thei=
r
> product. Rick however changed his receiveal methods so that the Nylok nut
> was tossed and a castle nut and drilled hole were installed in his lower
> ball joint stock from that time until the current time. This supplier ma=
de
> an acceptable ball joint but they also deleted the copper plating of the
> genuine OEM supplier. What happened is that during storage after
> manufacturing, moisture got into the joint and started the rust process.
> With only the Nylock nut, it was only a matter of time before the frictio=
n
> in the joint started to turn the Nylock nut and unscrew it from the taper
> cone.
>
> Conversely, the upper ball joints have also had this Nylock nut but I've
> never heard of anyone loosing one to this friction un-screw mechanism.
> Different loading's, different results.
>
> On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 2:19=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>
> So, I took my Tiger out yesterday for a short drive and as I was just
> about home (maybe a hundred yards from my driveway) the right front
> suspension dropped to the ground and I skidded several yards before
> stopping. All I could think of was the old stories about exploding ball
> joints.
>
>
>
> I walked to my house and threw a floor jack and some jack stands in my
> truck and drove back to the Tiger. I managed to get the front end jacked
> up and discovered that the nut on the lower ball joint was gone and the
> lower A arm had dropped to the road. My suspension pieces are at least 3=
0
> years old and the ball joints were held on with nylock nuts. I managed to
> wrap a ratchet strap around the upper and lower A arms and I was able to
> slowly drive the car into my garage.
>
>
>
> I am very lucky that:
>
> 1. I was going pretty slow at the time
>
> 2. The front end landed in some loose gravel on the side of the road
>
> 3. None of the body work was damaged
>
> 4. And nothing else in the suspension looks to be damaged; just scraped =
up
>
>
>
> If this had happened 5 minutes earlier I would have been doing 60 on a
> winding road and I would have wound up in a ditch.
>
>
>
> So I'm ordering a new set of ball joints and I will drill them out for
> castle nuts so I don't have to worry about a nut working its way loose
> again.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Brown
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hi Tom,=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Thanks for the explanation.=C2=A0 I was worried that maybe I had done som=
ething wrong when I installed them. I've got an order in for some new o=
nes along with some tie rod ends and I look forward to getting back on the =
road.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks,=C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Joe Brown=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Su=
n, Mar 9, 2025, 9:47=E2=80=AFPM Tom Hall via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:t=
igers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
=20
=20
=20
<div>
<p>It's hard to believe that this is still happening.=C2=A0 It star=
ted
when Rick at Sunbeam Specialties changed suppliers way back in the
mid-eighties.=C2=A0 The OEM suppliers had always used castle nuts and
cotter keys, but this new supplier went with the Nylock nut
design. which Rick initially accepted.=C2=A0 My daughter had this
"accident" happen in her Rotary powered Alpine, back in the=
80's,
a couple of blocks from home, exactly as you were, having the
lower A-arm fall on the ground, and again luckily at low speed.</p>
<p>Rick arranged a meeting with reps for this supplier shortly after
it happened.=C2=A0 Rick and I sat down with them and they insisted th=
is
this had never happened before and it must have been <u>My fault</u>.=
=C2=A0
Rick and I talked at length and they told us that they were not
going to modify their product. Rick however changed his receiveal
methods so that the Nylok nut was tossed and a castle nut and
drilled hole were installed in his lower ball joint stock from
that time until the current time.=C2=A0 This supplier made an
acceptable ball joint but they also deleted the copper plating of
the genuine OEM supplier.=C2=A0 What happened is that during storage
after manufacturing, moisture got into the joint and started the
rust process.=C2=A0 With only the Nylock nut, it was only a matter of
time before the friction in the joint started to turn the Nylock
nut and unscrew it from the taper cone. <br>
</p>
<p>Conversely, the upper ball joints have also had this Nylock nut
but I've never heard of anyone loosing one to this friction
un-screw mechanism.=C2=A0 Different loading's, different results.=
<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Mar
8, 2025 at 2:19=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jbb=
rown1980@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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#cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;=
margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So,=C2=A0 I took
my Tiger out yesterday for a short drive
and as I was just about home (maybe a
hundred yards from my driveway) the right
front suspension=C2=A0dropped to the ground a=
nd
I skidded several yards before stopping.=C2=
=A0
All I could think of was the old stories
about exploding ball joints.=C2=A0<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I walked to
my house and threw a floor jack and some
jack stands in my truck and drove back
to the Tiger.=C2=A0 I managed to get the
front end jacked up and discovered that
the nut on the lower ball joint was gone
and the lower A arm had dropped to the
road.=C2=A0 My suspension pieces are at lea=
st
30 years old and the ball joints
were=C2=A0held on with nylock nuts. I manag=
ed
to wrap a ratchet strap around the upper
and lower A arms and I was able to
slowly drive the car into my garage.=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am very
lucky that:=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">1. I was
going pretty slow at the time<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">2. The front
end landed in some loose gravel on the
side of the road<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3. None of
the body work was damaged<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">4.=C2=A0 And
nothing else in the suspension looks to
be damaged; just scraped up<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If this had
happened 5 minutes earlier I would have
been doing 60 on a winding road and I
would have wound up in a ditch.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So I'm
ordering a new set of ball joints and I
will drill them out for castle nuts so I
don't have to worry about a nut working
its way loose again.=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Joe Brown<u></u><u></u=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
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