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Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

To: Ron Fraser via Tigers <rfraser@bluefrog.com>, 'Dave Barakat' <dave.barakat@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter
From: Dave Munroe via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 12:56:28 -0300
Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net
Delivered-to: mharc@autox.team.net
Delivered-to: tigers@autox.team.net
References: <4A6C8407-05BE-4C39-84DE-5B1AA13321FF@icloud.com> <E0E79533134E499093DDCD7C665373C8@ronpc1>
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255, 255);">Ron ;</div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-=
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Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial;=
 background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">As usual you are a veritable librar=
y of facts and dimensions of almost everything Tiger. Thanks for being so d=
iligent.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);=
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"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;"><br></span=
></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri,=
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initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=3D"font-size: i=
nitial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;">Do you know if the dips=
tick/tube =E2=80=8Esets are the same for 289 blocks? &nbsp;Would the 289 ha=
ve a different timing cover that would account for the shorter stick?</span=
></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri,=
 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: =
initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=3D"font-size: i=
nitial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div s=
tyle=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro',=
 sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; back=
ground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=3D"font-size: initial; text-=
align: initial; line-height: initial;">My car came to me with a 289, and th=
e dipstick/tube combination are considerably different from the dimensions =
you have for the 260. I have felt for a long time that my engine has a non-=
standard stick.</span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; =
font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span =
style=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;"><b=
r></span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text=
-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=3D"font=
-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">My tube is only=
 10" long, and the dipstick is correspondingly shorter at 19 1/4". But taki=
ng the corresponding dimensions from the tube stop/seating ring, the "full"=
 mark is out on my stick by roughly 1/2" =E2=80=8E( the oil level is 1/2" m=
ore oil in my crank case.)</span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size=
: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 25=
5);"><span style=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: i=
nitial;"><br></span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; fo=
nt-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,=
 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;">Not =
enough for me to worry about,=E2=80=8E but it would be nice to know if the =
289 specs that level.</span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: ini=
tial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">=
<span style=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initia=
l;"><br></span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-fa=
mily: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125)=
; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=
=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;">Thanks =
Ron,&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-=
family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 12=
5); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=
=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;"><br></s=
pan></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calib=
ri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-alig=
n: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=3D"font-size=
: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;">Dave</span></div>   =
                                                                           =
                                                       <div style=3D"width:=
 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, s=
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                           <div style=3D"font-size: initial; font-family: C=
alibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-=
align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent&nbsp;from&nbsp;=
my&nbsp;BlackBerry&nbsp;10&nbsp;smartphone&nbsp;on&nbsp;the&nbsp;Bell&nbsp;=
network.</div>                                                             =
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                                          <table width=3D"100%" style=3D"ba=
ckground-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan=3D"2" sty=
le=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 2=
55, 255);">                           <div style=3D"border-style: solid non=
e none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; paddin=
g: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-siz=
e: 10pt;">  <div><b>From: </b>Ron Fraser via Tigers</div><div><b>Sent: </b>=
Monday, October 5, 2015 12:10 PM</div><div><b>To: </b>'Dave Barakat'</div><=
div><b>Reply To: </b>rfraser@bluefrog.com</div><div><b>Cc: </b>tigers@Autox=
.Team.Net</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-s=
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<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015">Dave=20
</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It looks like I need to investigate=20
the dip stick part further.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015">The=20
dip stick and dip stick tube should be a matched pair.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">Parts=20
List 6601334</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # only</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">6100489&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
C2OZ-6754-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tube - Oil level=20
indicator</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Ford Master Parts Catalog=
 - listed for the 260=20
engine</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">C3OZ-6750-B&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; 22.48" shield to=20
full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" shield to tip</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">C2OZ-6754-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;=20
Tube</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">This appears to be the co=
rrect dip stick and=20
tube combination for the Tiger.</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Maybe 1224808 is indicate=
d because Rootes had to=20
modify the dip stick.&nbsp; The long handle had to be bent to clear the=20
hood.</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I'm sure this prompted Ro=
otes to have Ford=20
correct this issue with a new part - possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J=
" in=20
this part # indicates a Ford Industrial Group supplied=20
part.</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">The later Tiger dip stick=
 has the handle loop=20
tighter to the&nbsp;shield with only a slight bend.</font></span></span></d=
iv>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A par=
ts are being reproduced=20
by Scott Drake.</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;=E2=80=8E</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Ron=20
Fraser</font></span></span></div></span></div>
<blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3D"ltr">
  <div></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" class=3D"OutlookMessageHeader" align=3D"l=
eft"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From=
:</b> Dave Barakat=20
  [mailto:dave.barakat@icloud.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 05, 201=
5=20
  2:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> rfraser@bluefrog.com<br><b>Cc:</b> Andy Walker;=20
  tigers@Autox.Team.Net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity=20
  w/non-stock filter<br><br></font></div>Ron=E2=80=A6..thanks=E2=80=A6this =
is so helpful and I=20
  will measure the stick and tube against David=E2=80=99s spec. The tube an=
d stick were=20
  obtained from SS as &nbsp;=E2=80=9Cdipstick for generator cars=E2=80=9D (=
TM50/TM54), but no=20
  other part number given.
  <div><br></div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div><br>
  <div>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div>On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfras=
er@bluefrog.com">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>&gt;=20
    wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">Dave</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font color=
=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">It is very possible you do not have =
the original dip=20
    stick.&nbsp; I'm not sure I have the original in my engine=20
    either.</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">Parts List 6601334</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level indicator&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;=20
    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level indicator&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;=20
    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #</font></span></d=
iv>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">There is no indication about when this part change=20
    occurred.</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with som=
e=20
    measurements.</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span lang=3D"EN">
    <div>The original dip stick &amp; tube measurements are:</div>
    <div>Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell"=20
    cover/dust guard. </div>
    <div>Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip.</div>
    <div>--</div>
    <div>Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seatin=
g=20
    ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube.=
 7=20
    5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing".</d=
iv>
    <div>--</div>
    <div>With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrud=
es 9=20
    1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to=
 the=20
    bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") </div>
    <div>David Franchi</div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">Ron Fraser</font></span></div></span></span></div>
    <blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3D"ltr" type=3D"cite">
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