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Ron=E2=80=A6.my data source also indicated 4 qts + 1 qt for the filter =
for both motors (260 & 289)
> On Oct 5, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
>=20
> Andy
> Yes - if your 260 engine has the stock oil pan you should put 5 =
qts
> of oil in no matter what filter you are using.
>=20
> You have to understand that the dip stick reads wrong; you need to
> understand where the 5 qt level is now on the dip stick and where the =
ADD
> level is located.
>=20
> This all got me to thinking - what was the original Ford =
recommendation for
> oil capacity in the 60's?
>=20
> I just found 1 reference that indicates the following:
> 63 - 64 260 4 qts
> 63 - 65 289 4 qts
> 66 - 67 289 5 qts
>=20
> Anyone else have this information for the Ford 260 and 289 engines in =
the
> States?
>=20
> Maybe we are overfilling the sump with 5 qts and that extra qt was for =
the
> oil lines.
>=20
> To me the difference between the 65 and 66 289 indicates the oil pan =
shape
> changed for 1966.
> Very Interesting!!!
>=20
> I just located another reference that indicates all 260 & 289 engines =
4 qts
> - add 1 qt if new filter.
> Back to 5 qts with filter change.
>=20
> Ron Fraser
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: awtiger@cox.net [mailto:awtiger@cox.net]=20
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:54 AM
> To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'Dave Barakat'
> Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter
>=20
>=20
> Ron:
>=20
> I have the same problem that all these other guys are having; with =
five
> quarts in the sump, my dipstick is showing way overfull, even after I =
have
> run the engine and circulated the oil. My 260 has the reproduction =
dipstick
> and tube also. All this being said, though, I guess the bottom line =
is that
> the 260 sump was designed to hold five quarts of oil and no matter =
what our
> dipsticks may read, we should be putting five quarts in them, correct?
>=20
> Andy=20
>=20
> ---- Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:=20
>> Dave
>>=20
>> It looks like I need to investigate the dip stick part further.
>>=20
>> The dip stick and dip stick tube should be a matched pair.
>>=20
>> Parts List 6601334
>> 1224808 Oil Level indicator NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only
>> 6100734 Oil Level indicator NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for =
a
> Ford
>> part
>> C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #
>>=20
>> 6100489 C2OZ-6754-A Tube - Oil level indicator
>>=20
>> Ford Master Parts Catalog - listed for the 260 engine
>> C3OZ-6750-B 22.48" shield to full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" =
shield
> to
>> tip
>> C2OZ-6754-A Tube
>>=20
>> This appears to be the correct dip stick and tube combination for the=20=
>> Tiger.
>>=20
>> Maybe 1224808 is indicated because Rootes had to modify the dip =
stick. =20
>> The long handle had to be bent to clear the hood. I'm sure this=20
>> prompted Rootes to have Ford correct this issue with a new part -=20
>> possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J" in this part # indicates a=20
>> Ford Industrial Group supplied part.
>>=20
>> The later Tiger dip stick has the handle loop tighter to the shield=20=
>> with only a slight bend.
>>=20
>> The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A parts are being reproduced by Scott Drake.
>>=20
>> Ron Fraser
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Barakat [mailto:dave.barakat@icloud.com]
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:20 AM
>> To: rfraser@bluefrog.com
>> Cc: Andy Walker; tigers@Autox.Team.Net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter
>>=20
>>=20
>> Ron...thanks.this is so helpful and I will measure the stick and tube=20=
>> against David's spec. The tube and stick were obtained from SS as =20
>> "dipstick for generator cars" (TM50/TM54), but no other part number=20=
>> given.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Dave
>> It is very possible you do not have the original dip stick. I'm=20=
>> not sure I have the original in my engine either.
>>=20
>> Parts List 6601334
>> 1224808 Oil Level indicator NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only
>> 6100734 Oil Level indicator NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for =
a
> Ford
>> part
>> C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #
>> There is no indication about when this part change occurred.
>>=20
>> Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some=20
>> measurements.
>>=20
>> The original dip stick & tube measurements are:
>> Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell"=20
>> cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2"=20=
>> from tip.
>> --
>> Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating=20=
>> ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the=20
>> tube. 7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting=20=
>> wing".
>> --
>> With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes =
9
> 1/2"
>> out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to =
the
>> bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring")=20
>> David Franchi
>> Ron Fraser
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
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>=20
>=20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Ron=E2=80=A6.my data source also indicated 4 qts + 1 qt for =
the filter for both motors (260 & 289)<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Oct 5, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Ron Fraser <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; =
class=3D"">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">Andy<br =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
</span>Yes - if your 260 engine has the stock oil pan you should put 5 =
qts<br class=3D"">of oil in no matter what filter you are using.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">You have to understand that the dip stick =
reads wrong; you need to<br class=3D"">understand where the 5 qt level =
is now on the dip stick and where the ADD<br class=3D"">level is =
located.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">This all got me to thinking - what =
was the original Ford recommendation for<br class=3D"">oil capacity in =
the 60's?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I just found 1 reference that =
indicates the following:<br class=3D"">63 - 64 260<span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>4 qts<br =
class=3D"">63 - 65 289 4 qts<br class=3D"">66 - 67 289 5 qts<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Anyone else have this information for the Ford =
260 and 289 engines in the<br class=3D"">States?<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Maybe we are overfilling the sump with 5 qts and that extra =
qt was for the<br class=3D"">oil lines.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">To =
me the difference between the 65 and 66 289 indicates the oil pan =
shape<br class=3D"">changed for 1966.<br class=3D"">Very =
Interesting!!!<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I just located another =
reference that indicates all 260 & 289 engines 4 qts<br class=3D"">- =
add 1 qt if new filter.<br class=3D"">Back to 5 qts with filter =
change.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Ron Fraser<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: =
<a href=3D"mailto:awtiger@cox.net"; class=3D"">awtiger@cox.net</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:awtiger@cox.net"; class=3D"">mailto:awtiger@cox.net</a>] =
<br class=3D"">Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:54 AM<br class=3D"">To: =
<a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; =
class=3D"">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>; 'Dave Barakat'<br class=3D"">Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a><br class=3D"">Subject: RE: [Tigers] =
Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Ron:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I have the same problem =
that all these other guys are having; with five<br class=3D"">quarts in =
the sump, my dipstick is showing way overfull, even after I have<br =
class=3D"">run the engine and circulated the oil. My 260 has the =
reproduction dipstick<br class=3D"">and tube also. All this being =
said, though, I guess the bottom line is that<br class=3D"">the 260 sump =
was designed to hold five quarts of oil and no matter what our<br =
class=3D"">dipsticks may read, we should be putting five quarts in them, =
correct?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Andy <br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">---- Ron Fraser <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; =
class=3D"">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote: <br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Dave<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> =
It looks like I need to investigate the dip stick part =
further.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The dip stick and dip stick tube =
should be a matched pair.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Parts List =
6601334<br class=3D"">1224808 Oil Level indicator =
NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only<br =
class=3D"">6100734 Oil Level indicator =
NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a<br =
class=3D""></blockquote>Ford<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">part<br class=3D"">C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">6100489 C2OZ-6754-A =
Tube - Oil level indicator<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Ford Master Parts Catalog - listed for the 260 engine<br =
class=3D"">C3OZ-6750-B 22.48" shield to full, 23.32" =
shield to Add, 24.44" shield<br class=3D""></blockquote>to<br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">tip<br =
class=3D"">C2OZ-6754-A Tube<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">This appears to be the correct dip stick and tube combination =
for the <br class=3D"">Tiger.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Maybe 1224808 =
is indicated because Rootes had to modify the dip stick. <br =
class=3D"">The long handle had to be bent to clear the hood. I'm sure =
this <br class=3D"">prompted Rootes to have Ford correct this issue with =
a new part - <br class=3D"">possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J" in =
this part # indicates a <br class=3D"">Ford Industrial Group supplied =
part.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The later Tiger dip stick has the =
handle loop tighter to the shield <br class=3D"">with only a slight =
bend.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A parts are being =
reproduced by Scott Drake.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Ron Fraser<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: =
Dave Barakat [<a href=3D"mailto:dave.barakat@icloud.com"; =
class=3D"">mailto:dave.barakat@icloud.com</a>]<br class=3D"">Sent: =
Monday, October 05, 2015 2:20 AM<br class=3D"">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; =
class=3D"">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a><br class=3D"">Cc: Andy Walker; <a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a><br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Tigers] =
Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Ron...thanks.this is so helpful and I will measure the stick =
and tube <br class=3D"">against David's spec. The tube and stick were =
obtained from SS as <br class=3D"">"dipstick for generator cars" =
(TM50/TM54), but no other part number <br class=3D"">given.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br=
class=3D"">On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; =
class=3D"">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Dave<br class=3D""> It is very possible you =
do not have the original dip stick. I'm <br class=3D"">not sure I =
have the original in my engine either.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Parts =
List 6601334<br class=3D"">1224808 Oil Level indicator =
NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only<br =
class=3D"">6100734 Oil Level indicator =
NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a<br =
class=3D""></blockquote>Ford<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">part<br class=3D"">C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #<br =
class=3D"">There is no indication about when this part change =
occurred.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Here is an email from David =
Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some <br class=3D"">measurements.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">The original dip stick & tube measurements =
are:<br class=3D"">Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of =
the "bell" <br class=3D"">cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from =
tip, oil "full" mark 2" <br class=3D"">from tip.<br class=3D"">--<br =
class=3D"">Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the =
"stop/seating <br class=3D"">ring" (were it goes into the timing gear =
cover) to the top of the <br class=3D"">tube. 7 5/16" from the top of =
the tube to the center of the "mounting <br class=3D"">wing".<br =
class=3D"">--<br class=3D"">With the stick installed in the tube, the =
tip of the stick protrudes 9<br class=3D""></blockquote>1/2"<br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">out of the end of the =
tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the<br class=3D"">bottom of =
the tube "stop/seating ring") <br class=3D"">David Franchi<br =
class=3D"">Ron Fraser<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
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