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Please only comment if you know the traffic situation here in Central Europ=
e. I also do not allow myself
to make any statements about the situation in the USA or Canada. We live h=
ere in narrow conurbations=20
and the traffic on country roads should not be underestimated. Places are u=
sually a maximum of 10km apart.
The next time you are in Europe, drive a car on our European country roads =
or motorways and you will=20
find that the traffic situations and road conditions are completely differe=
nt than in a country as=20
large as the USA or Canada. As a driver, you are quickly overwhelmed if you=
are not used to it.=20
Unfortunately, we have a lot of older people here who can no longer cope wi=
th this traffic situation=20
and are extremely dangerous to themselves and their environment. In our are=
a we have accidents like=20
this every month. And this described accident is typical. There is nothing =
wrong with being able to=20
drive a car as an older person. However, the accident described is the typi=
cal accident without=20
external influence - probably a health weakness caused by being overwhelmed=
, as we often have here.=20
Unfortunately, bystanders are often injured or even fatally injured in an a=
ccident.
Josef Eckert
PS: Those from the US who are commng over to the European Healey Event 2023=
=20
(Geiranger) may realise, they need to drive in different situations as they=
=20
are used to, at least when passing Belgium, The Netherlands, France,=20
Germany, Denmark.
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Datum: 2022-10-07T00:31:18+0200
Von: "David Nock BCS" <healeydoc@sbcglobal.net>
An: "josef-eckert@t-online.de" <josef-eckert@t-online.de>, "Jim Ryan"=20
<ryan@jimryan.com>
=20
=20
=20
So I assume that you know that his driving ability was the cause of the=20
accident. Maybe someone or something was in the road and he tried to avoid=
=20
it, or maybe there was a mechanical failure.
=20
Are you will to give up your license at a set age no matter your physical=
=20
health.
=20
If you are assuming it was his age then how about you set an age that=20
everyone has to stop driving and see how far that goes
=20
I know many people well into there 80s that are perfectly safe drivers.
=20
David Nock
=20
From: josef-eckert--- via Healeys
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2022 12:32 PM
To: Jim Ryan
Cc: Forum Healey
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
=20
Yes, please forward my comment to his family.
This person hasn=C2=B4t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for other p=
eople=20
on the road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even pedestrians, which are=
=20
on our rural roads as well and also want to live and be not hurt by such a=
=20
person.
Sorry, no mercy at all from my side.
=20
=20
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
Datum: 2022-10-06T21:15:03+0200
Von: "Jim Ryan" <ryan@jimryan.com>
An: "josef-eckert@t-online.de" <josef-eckert@t-online.de>
=20
=20
=20
Well, THAT was harsh. You might want to forward that to his family just so=
=20
they know how you feel about him. When exactly is it you think we should=
=20
all stop driving? Is it 75? 80? I'm 71, I just want to get your advice=
=20
on what age I'm endangering other people.
=20
That was easily the most insensitive posting I have ever seen on this list.
=20
On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM josef-eckert--- via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
To be honest, I have no respect for such a person, or better 82 years old
fart who brought others in danger with his driving. Thankfully no other
person was invoved and injured.
Its very common all over in central Europe to have these ditches, trees
or even walls along country roads. That is how we love it.
For big money you can book in to take part in one of these leasure
ra=C4=BAlys, where you get all accomodation organised, only you have to c=
ome
from a to b along. these rallys are mainly booked from those mainly
elderly people who do not know what to do otherwise with their money,
even they are completely overextended by driving an old classic car.
One should be wise enough to give up driving, when you are no more
capable to drive.
I am only sorry about the wrecked Austin-Healey.
=20
Josef Eckert
konigswinter/GERMANY
=20
=20
=20
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200
Von: "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
An: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
=20
=20
=20
Michael--
=20
Most of them weren't "open" ditches--they were filled with rocks. =20
I fondly recall the time we missed a left-hander, went off the road,
somehow hurtled OVER the ditch and landed in a tree in a fellow's front
yard. As I remember it he stood there rather stunned while we cleared
the branches out of the wheel openings, then hopped into the car and took
off without much conversation.
=20
Best--Michael Oritt
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM Michael Salter via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
"all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches."
Just like Newfoundland which for me was a major factor in giving up on
the Targa there.
=20
M
On Wed., Oct. 5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, <
mailto:healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
Italian roads are amazing for driving through beautiful countryside, but
they are deadly because all the roads are surrounded by open drainage
ditches.
On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 3:27 AM, Richard Kahn via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
I saw this yesterday. Very sad on so many levels. I was wondering if this
is the drive a number of the Southern California Healey Association
members are on in Europe at this moment.
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Randy Hicks
via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:40 AM
To: Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
=20
Awful.=20
=20
<https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-r=
ally-austin-healey/>
=20
Randy
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=3DUTF-8"/><title></title></head><body><p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;te=
xt-decoration:none"> </span></p>
<pre id=3D"tw-target-text" class=3D"tw-data-text tw-text-large tw-ta" dir=
=3D"ltr" style=3D"text-align: left;" data-placeholder=3D"Übersetzung">=
<span class=3D"Y2IQFc" lang=3D"en" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif;">Please only comment if you know the traffic situation here in =
Central Europe. I also do not allow myself<br /> to make any statements abo=
ut the situation in the USA or Canada. We live here in narrow conurbations =
<br />and the traffic on country roads should not be underestimated. Places=
are usually a maximum of 10km apart.</span></pre>
<pre id=3D"tw-target-text" class=3D"tw-data-text tw-text-large tw-ta" dir=
=3D"ltr" style=3D"text-align: left;" data-placeholder=3D"Übersetzung">=
<span class=3D"Y2IQFc" lang=3D"en" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif;">The next time you are in Europe, drive a car on our European c=
ountry roads or motorways and you will <br />find that the traffic situatio=
ns and road conditions are completely different than in a country as <br />=
large as the USA or Canada. As a driver, you are quickly overwhelmed if you=
are not used to it. <br />Unfortunately, we have a lot of older people her=
e who can no longer cope with this traffic situation <br />and are extremel=
y dangerous to themselves and their environment. In our area we have accide=
nts like <br />this every month. And this described accident is typical. Th=
ere is nothing wrong with being able to <br />drive a car as an older perso=
n. However, the accident described is the typical accident without <br />ex=
ternal influence - probably a health weakness caused by being overwhelmed, =
as we often have here. <br />Unfortunately, bystanders are often injured or=
even fatally injured in an accident.<br /><br />Josef Eckert<br /></span><=
/pre>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">PS: Those from the =
US who are commng over to the European Healey Event 2023 (Geiranger) may re=
alise, they need to drive in different situations as they are used to, at l=
east when passing Belgium, The Netherlands, France, Germany, Denmark.<br />=
</span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed=
in Healey 100</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2022-10-07T00:31:18+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "David Nock BCS" <healeydoc@sbcglobal.net=
></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "josef-eckert@t-online.de" <josef-eckert@t=
-online.de>, "Jim Ryan" <ryan@jimryan.com></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century'; color: #000000;">
<div>So I assume that you know that his driving ability was the cause of th=
e accident. Maybe someone or something was in the road and he tried to avoi=
d it, or maybe there was a mechanical failure.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Are you will to give up your license at a set age no matter your physi=
cal health.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>If you are assuming it was his age then how about you set an age that =
everyone has to stop driving and see how far that goes</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I know many people well into there 80s that are perfectly safe drivers=
.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>David Nock</div>
<div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: 'Calibr=
i'; font-weight: normal; color: #000000; font-style: normal; display: inlin=
e;">
<div style=3D"font: 10pt tahoma;">
<div> </div>
<div style=3D"background: #f5f5f5;">
<div style=3D"font-color: black;"><strong>From:</strong> <a title=3D"healey=
s@autox.team.net">josef-eckert--- via Healeys</a></div>
<div><strong>Sent:</strong> Thursday, October 06, 2022 12:32 PM</div>
<div><strong>To:</strong> <a title=3D"ryan@jimryan.com">Jim Ryan</a></div>
<div><strong>Cc:</strong> <a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">Forum Healey<=
/a></div>
<div><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in =
Healey 100</div>
</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: 'Calibr=
i'; font-weight: normal; color: #000000; font-style: normal; display: inlin=
e;">
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: #000000;">Yes, please=
forward my comment to his family. </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: #000000;">This person=
hasn´t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for other people on t=
he road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even pedestrians, which are on o=
ur rural roads as well and also want to live and be not hurt by such a pers=
on.<br /></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: #000000;">Sorry, no m=
ercy at all from my side.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed=
in Healey 100</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2022-10-06T21:15:03+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "Jim Ryan" <ryan@jimryan.com></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "josef-eckert@t-online.de" <josef-eckert@t=
-online.de></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Well, THAT was harsh. You might want to forward that=
to his family just so they know how you feel about him. When exactly=
is it you think we should all stop driving? Is it 75? 80=
? I'm 71, I just want to get your advice on what age I'm endangering =
other people.
<div> </div>
<div>That was easily the most insensitive posting I have ever seen on this =
list.</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM josef=
-eckert--- via Healeys <<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex; border-left: =
#cccccc 1px solid; margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;">
<div>
<div style=3D"background-color: white;">To be honest, I have no respect for=
such a person, or better 82 years old fart who brought others in danger wi=
th his driving. Thankfully no other person was invoved and injured. <br /><=
br />Its very common all over in central Europe to have these ditches, tree=
s or even walls along country roads. That is how we love it. <br /><br />Fo=
r big money you can book in to take part in one of these leasure ra=C4=BAly=
s, where you get all accomodation organised, only you have to come from a t=
o b along. these rallys are mainly booked from those mainly elderly people =
who do not know what to do otherwise with their money, even they are comple=
tely overextended by driving an old classic car. <br /><br />One should be =
wise enough to give up driving, when you are no more capable to drive. <br =
/><br />I am only sorry about the wrecked Austin-Healey.</div>
<div style=3D"background-color: white;"> </div>
<div style=3D"background-color: white;">Josef Eckert</div>
<div style=3D"background-color: white;">konigswinter/GERMANY<br /><br /><br=
/> <br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br />-----Original-N=
achricht----- <br /><br />Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed=
in Healey 100 <br /><br />Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200 <br /><br />Von:=
"Michael Oritt" <<a>michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> <br /><br />An: "Mi=
chael Salter" <<a>michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> <br /><br /> <br=
/><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br />Michael-- <br /><br /> =
<br /><br />Most of them weren't "open" ditches--they were filled with roc=
ks. <br /><br />I fondly recall the time we missed a left-hande=
r, went off the road, somehow hurtled OVER the ditch and landed in a tree i=
n a fellow's front yard. As I remember it he stood there rather stunn=
ed while we cleared the branches out of the wheel openings, then hopped int=
o the car and took off without much conversation. <br /><br /> <br />=
<br />Best--Michael Oritt <br /><br /><br />On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM=
Michael Salter via Healeys <<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <b=
r /><br />"all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches." <br /><b=
r />Just like Newfoundland which for me was a major factor in giving up on =
the Targa there. <br /><br /> <br /><br />M <br /><br />On Wed., Oct.=
5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, <<a>mailto:healeys@autox.=
team.net</a>> wrote: <br /><br />Italian roads are amazing for driving t=
hrough beautiful countryside, but they are deadly because all the roads are=
surrounded by open drainage ditches. <br /><br /><br />On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 =
at 3:27 AM, Richard Kahn via Healeys <<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote: <br /><br />I saw this yesterday. Very sad on so many levels. I was =
wondering if this is the drive a number of the Southern California Healey A=
ssociation members are on in Europe at this moment. <br /><br /> <br =
/><br />From: Healeys <<a>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on beha=
lf of Randy Hicks via Healeys <<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> <br />S=
ent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:40 AM <br />To: Healey List <<a>healeys@=
autox.team.net</a>> <br />Subject: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed =
in Healey 100 <br /><br /> <br /><br />Awful. <br /><br /> =
; <br /><br /><a href=3D"https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat=
-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/">https://www.the-sun.com/news/635=
5269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/</a> <br /><br /=
> <br /><br />Randy <br /><br />_____________________________________=
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