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So I assume that you know that his driving ability was the cause of the =
accident. Maybe someone or something was in the road and he tried to =
avoid it, or maybe there was a mechanical failure.
Are you will to give up your license at a set age no matter your =
physical health.=20
If you are assuming it was his age then how about you set an age that =
everyone has to stop driving and see how far that goes
I know many people well into there 80s that are perfectly safe drivers.
David Nock
From: josef-eckert--- via Healeys=20
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2022 12:32 PM
To: Jim Ryan=20
Cc: Forum Healey=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
Yes, please forward my comment to his family.=20
This person hasn=C2=B4t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for =
other people on the road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even =
pedestrians, which are on our rural roads as well and also want to live =
and be not hurt by such a person.
Sorry, no mercy at all from my side.
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Datum: 2022-10-06T21:15:03+0200
Von: "Jim Ryan" <ryan@jimryan.com>
An: "josef-eckert@t-online.de" <josef-eckert@t-online.de>
Well, THAT was harsh. You might want to forward that to his family just =
so they know how you feel about him. When exactly is it you think we =
should all stop driving? Is it 75? 80? I'm 71, I just want to get =
your advice on what age I'm endangering other people.=20
That was easily the most insensitive posting I have ever seen on this =
list.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM josef-eckert--- via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
To be honest, I have no respect for such a person, or better 82 years =
old fart who brought others in danger with his driving. Thankfully no =
other person was invoved and injured.=20
Its very common all over in central Europe to have these ditches, =
trees or even walls along country roads. That is how we love it.=20
For big money you can book in to take part in one of these leasure =
ra=C4=BAlys, where you get all accomodation organised, only you have to =
come from a to b along. these rallys are mainly booked from those mainly =
elderly people who do not know what to do otherwise with their money, =
even they are completely overextended by driving an old classic car.=20
One should be wise enough to give up driving, when you are no more =
capable to drive.=20
I am only sorry about the wrecked Austin-Healey.
Josef Eckert
konigswinter/GERMANY
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100=20
Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200=20
Von: "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt@gmail.com>=20
An: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>=20
=20
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=20
Michael--=20
=20
Most of them weren't "open" ditches--they were filled with rocks. =20
I fondly recall the time we missed a left-hander, went off the road, =
somehow hurtled OVER the ditch and landed in a tree in a fellow's front =
yard. As I remember it he stood there rather stunned while we cleared =
the branches out of the wheel openings, then hopped into the car and =
took off without much conversation.=20
=20
Best--Michael Oritt=20
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM Michael Salter via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:=20
"all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches."=20
Just like Newfoundland which for me was a major factor in giving up on =
the Targa there.=20
=20
M=20
On Wed., Oct. 5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, =
Italian roads are amazing for driving through beautiful countryside, =
but they are deadly because all the roads are surrounded by open =
drainage ditches.=20
On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 3:27 AM, Richard Kahn via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:=20
I saw this yesterday. Very sad on so many levels. I was wondering if =
this is the drive a number of the Southern California Healey Association =
members are on in Europe at this moment.=20
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Randy =
Hicks via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:40 AM=20
To: Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>=20
Subject: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100=20
=20
Awful. =20
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<DIV>So I assume that you know that his driving ability was the cause of =
the=20
accident. Maybe someone or something was in the road and he tried to =
avoid it,=20
or maybe there was a mechanical failure.</DIV>
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<DIV>Are you will to give up your license at a set age no matter your =
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<DIV>If you are assuming it was his age then how about you set an age =
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everyone has to stop driving and see how far that goes</DIV>
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<DIV>I know many people well into there 80s that are perfectly safe=20
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<DIV>David Nock</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net>josef-eckert--- via Healeys</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 06, 2022 12:32 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dryan@jimryan.com>Jim Ryan</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net>Forum Healey</A> =
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey=20
100</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: #000000">Yes,=20
please forward my comment to his family. </SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: #000000">This=20
person hasn=C2=B4t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for other =
people on the=20
road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even pedestrians, which are on =
our rural=20
roads as well and also want to live and be not hurt by such a=20
person.<BR></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: #000000">Sorry,=20
no mercy at all from my side.</SPAN></P>
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Healey 100</P>
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<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Von: "Jim Ryan" <ryan@jimryan.com></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">An: "josef-eckert@t-online.de"=20
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>Well, THAT was harsh. You might want to forward =
that to his=20
family just so they know how you feel about him. When exactly is =
it you=20
think we should all stop driving? Is it 75? 80? =
I'm 71,=20
I just want to get your advice on what age I'm endangering other people. =
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That was easily the most insensitive posting I have ever seen on =
this=20
list.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM =
josef-eckert---=20
via Healeys <<A>healeys@autox.team.net</A>> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: white">To be honest, I have no respect =
for such=20
a person, or better 82 years old fart who brought others in danger =
with his=20
driving. Thankfully no other person was invoved and injured. =
<BR><BR>Its very=20
common all over in central Europe to have these ditches, trees or even =
walls=20
along country roads. That is how we love it. <BR><BR>For big money you =
can=20
book in to take part in one of these leasure ra=C4=BAlys, where you =
get all=20
accomodation organised, only you have to come from a to b along. these =
rallys=20
are mainly booked from those mainly elderly people who do not know =
what to do=20
otherwise with their money, even they are completely overextended by =
driving=20
an old classic car. <BR><BR>One should be wise enough to give up =
driving, when=20
you are no more capable to drive. <BR><BR>I am only sorry about the =
wrecked=20
Austin-Healey.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: white"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: white">Josef Eckert</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
white">konigswinter/GERMANY<BR><BR><BR> =20
<BR><BR> <BR><BR> <BR><BR>-----Original-Nachricht-----=20
<BR><BR>Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey =
100=20
<BR><BR>Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200 <BR><BR>Von: "Michael Oritt"=20
<<A>michael.oritt@gmail.com</A>> <BR><BR>An: "Michael Salter"=20
<<A>michaelsalter@gmail.com</A>> <BR><BR> <BR><BR> =20
<BR><BR> <BR><BR>Michael-- <BR><BR> <BR><BR>Most of them =
weren't=20
"open" ditches--they were filled with rocks. <BR><BR>I =
fondly=20
recall the time we missed a left-hander, went off the road, somehow =
hurtled=20
OVER the ditch and landed in a tree in a fellow's front yard. As =
I=20
remember it he stood there rather stunned while we cleared the =
branches out of=20
the wheel openings, then hopped into the car and took off without much =
conversation. <BR><BR> <BR><BR>Best--Michael Oritt =
<BR><BR><BR>On Wed,=20
Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM Michael Salter via Healeys=20
<<A>healeys@autox.team.net</A>> wrote: <BR><BR>"all the roads =
are=20
surrounded by open drainage ditches." <BR><BR>Just like Newfoundland =
which for=20
me was a major factor in giving up on the Targa there. <BR><BR> =20
<BR><BR>M <BR><BR>On Wed., Oct. 5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via =
Healeys,=20
<<A>mailto:healeys@autox.team.net</A>> wrote: <BR><BR>Italian =
roads are=20
amazing for driving through beautiful countryside, but they are deadly =
because=20
all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches. <BR><BR><BR>On =
Wed, 5=20
Oct 2022 at 3:27 AM, Richard Kahn via Healeys=20
<<A>healeys@autox.team.net</A>> wrote: <BR><BR>I saw this =
yesterday.=20
Very sad on so many levels. I was wondering if this is the drive a =
number of=20
the Southern California Healey Association members are on in Europe at =
this=20
moment. <BR><BR> <BR><BR>From: Healeys=20
<<A>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</A>> on behalf of Randy Hicks =
via=20
Healeys <<A>healeys@autox.team.net</A>> <BR>Sent: Tuesday, =
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<BR><BR>Awful. <BR><BR> <BR><BR><A=20
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crash-rally-austin-healey/">https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-=
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