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I agree Simon. I too have lived in Europe and driven my Healey in =
Central European roadways. The fact that the victim too was familiar =
with those kinds of roadways sadly reduces Josef=E2=80=99s statements to =
an exhibit of prejudice and ageism. Josef has damaged his own =
reputation among all the rest of us Healey enthusiasts=E2=80=A6.. and =
for what purpose? Just to show his lack of sensitivity? You are =
right. It would have been better for him to not be airing his offensive =
opinions among those who might otherwise respect him.
Thanks
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Simon =
Lachlan via Healeys
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 4:38 AM
Cc: 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
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Speaking as one who drives in Europe and who has just returned from =
doing so in rural N.Ireland(!), I agree that some of the European roads =
require care and attention. But, surely the point is that, while you are =
entitled to your fairly offensive opinions, you should not be airing =
them here?
Simon
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
via Healeys
Sent: 07 October 2022 07:39
To: David Nock BCS <healeydoc@sbcglobal.net =
>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
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Please only comment if you know the traffic situation here in Central =
Europe. I also do not allow myself
to make any statements about the situation in the USA or Canada. We =
live here in narrow conurbations=20
and the traffic on country roads should not be underestimated. Places =
are usually a maximum of 10km apart.
The next time you are in Europe, drive a car on our European country =
roads or motorways and you will=20
find that the traffic situations and road conditions are completely =
different than in a country as=20
large as the USA or Canada. As a driver, you are quickly overwhelmed if =
you are not used to it.=20
Unfortunately, we have a lot of older people here who can no longer cope =
with this traffic situation=20
and are extremely dangerous to themselves and their environment. In our =
area we have accidents like=20
this every month. And this described accident is typical. There is =
nothing wrong with being able to=20
drive a car as an older person. However, the accident described is the =
typical accident without=20
external influence - probably a health weakness caused by being =
overwhelmed, as we often have here.=20
Unfortunately, bystanders are often injured or even fatally injured in =
an accident.
Josef Eckert
PS: Those from the US who are commng over to the European Healey Event =
2023 (Geiranger) may realise, they need to drive in different situations =
as they are used to, at least when passing Belgium, The Netherlands, =
France, Germany, Denmark.
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
Datum: 2022-10-07T00:31:18+0200
Von: "David Nock BCS" <healeydoc@sbcglobal.net =
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So I assume that you know that his driving ability was the cause of the =
accident. Maybe someone or something was in the road and he tried to =
avoid it, or maybe there was a mechanical failure.
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Are you will to give up your license at a set age no matter your =
physical health.
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If you are assuming it was his age then how about you set an age that =
everyone has to stop driving and see how far that goes
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I know many people well into there 80s that are perfectly safe drivers.
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David Nock
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From: josef-eckert--- via Healeys
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2022 12:32 PM
To: Jim Ryan
Cc: Forum Healey
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
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Yes, please forward my comment to his family.=20
This person hasn=C2=B4t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for =
other people on the road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even =
pedestrians, which are on our rural roads as well and also want to live =
and be not hurt by such a person.
Sorry, no mercy at all from my side.
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
Datum: 2022-10-06T21:15:03+0200
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Well, THAT was harsh. You might want to forward that to his family just =
so they know how you feel about him. When exactly is it you think we =
should all stop driving? Is it 75? 80? I'm 71, I just want to get =
your advice on what age I'm endangering other people.=20
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That was easily the most insensitive posting I have ever seen on this =
list.
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On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM josef-eckert--- via Healeys =
To be honest, I have no respect for such a person, or better 82 years =
old fart who brought others in danger with his driving. Thankfully no =
other person was invoved and injured.=20
Its very common all over in central Europe to have these ditches, trees =
or even walls along country roads. That is how we love it.=20
For big money you can book in to take part in one of these leasure =
ra=C4=BAlys, where you get all accomodation organised, only you have to =
come from a to b along. these rallys are mainly booked from those mainly =
elderly people who do not know what to do otherwise with their money, =
even they are completely overextended by driving an old classic car.=20
One should be wise enough to give up driving, when you are no more =
capable to drive.=20
I am only sorry about the wrecked Austin-Healey.
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Josef Eckert
konigswinter/GERMANY
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100=20
Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200=20
Von: "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt@gmail.com =
An: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com =
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Michael--=20
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Most of them weren't "open" ditches--they were filled with rocks. =20
I fondly recall the time we missed a left-hander, went off the road, =
somehow hurtled OVER the ditch and landed in a tree in a fellow's front =
yard. As I remember it he stood there rather stunned while we cleared =
the branches out of the wheel openings, then hopped into the car and =
took off without much conversation.=20
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Best--Michael Oritt=20
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM Michael Salter via Healeys =
"all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches."=20
Just like Newfoundland which for me was a major factor in giving up on =
the Targa there.=20
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On Wed., Oct. 5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, =
Italian roads are amazing for driving through beautiful countryside, but =
they are deadly because all the roads are surrounded by open drainage =
ditches.=20
On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 3:27 AM, Richard Kahn via Healeys =
I saw this yesterday. Very sad on so many levels. I was wondering if =
this is the drive a number of the Southern California Healey Association =
members are on in Europe at this moment.=20
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:40 AM=20
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Subject: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100=20
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Awful. =20
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https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-ra=
lly-austin-healey/=20
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I agree Simon.=C2=A0 I too =
have lived in Europe and driven my Healey in Central European =
roadways.=C2=A0 The fact that the victim too was familiar with those =
kinds of roadways sadly reduces Josef=E2=80=99s statements to an exhibit =
of prejudice and ageism.=C2=A0 Josef has damaged his own reputation =
among all the rest of us Healey enthusiasts=E2=80=A6.. and for what =
purpose?=C2=A0 Just to show his lack of sensitivity?=C2=A0=C2=A0 You are =
right.=C2=A0 It would have been better for him to not be airing his =
offensive opinions among those who might otherwise respect =
him.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>-skip-<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Lachlan =
via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 7, 2022 4:38 =
AM<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Healeys' =
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Sad news =
- Rallyist Killed in Healey 100<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Speaking as one who drives in Europe and who has just =
returned from doing so in rural N.Ireland(!), I agree that some of the =
European roads require care and attention. But, surely the point is =
that, while you are entitled to your fairly offensive opinions, you =
should not be airing them here?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>healeys-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>josef-eckert--- via =
Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> 07 October 2022 07:39<br><b>To:</b> David Nock =
BCS <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net";>healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</a>>; =
Jim Ryan <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ryan@jimryan.com";>ryan@jimryan.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> =
Forum Healey <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey =
100<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre =
id=3Dtw-target-text><span class=3Dy2iqfc><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Please only comment if you know =
the traffic situation here in Central Europe. I also do not allow =
myself</span></span><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><span class=3Dy2iqfc> to =
make any statements about the situation in the USA or Canada. We live =
here in narrow conurbations </span><br><span class=3Dy2iqfc>and the =
traffic on country roads should not be underestimated. Places are =
usually a maximum of 10km apart.</span></span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre id=3Dtw-target-text><span =
class=3Dy2iqfc><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The next time you are in =
Europe, drive a car on our European country roads or motorways and you =
will </span></span><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><span class=3Dy2iqfc>find =
that the traffic situations and road conditions are completely different =
than in a country as </span><br><span class=3Dy2iqfc>large as the USA or =
Canada. As a driver, you are quickly overwhelmed if you are not used to =
it. </span><br><span class=3Dy2iqfc>Unfortunately, we have a lot of =
older people here who can no longer cope with this traffic situation =
</span><br><span class=3Dy2iqfc>and are extremely dangerous to =
themselves and their environment. In our area we have accidents like =
</span><br><span class=3Dy2iqfc>this every month. And this described =
accident is typical. There is nothing wrong with being able to =
</span><br><span class=3Dy2iqfc>drive a car as an older person. However, =
the accident described is the typical accident without </span><br><span =
class=3Dy2iqfc>external influence - probably a health weakness caused by =
being overwhelmed, as we often have here. </span><br><span =
class=3Dy2iqfc>Unfortunately, bystanders are often injured or even =
fatally injured in an accident.</span><br><br><span class=3Dy2iqfc>Josef =
Eckert</span></span><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></pre><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>PS:=
Those from the US who are commng over to the European Healey Event 2023 =
(Geiranger) may realise, they need to drive in different situations as =
they are used to, at least when passing Belgium, The Netherlands, =
France, Germany, Denmark.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>-----Original-Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB>Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news =
- Rallyist Killed in Healey 100<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB>Datum: =
2022-10-07T00:31:18+0200<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB>Von: "David Nock BCS" =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net";>healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</a>><o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB>An: =
"<a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>&quo=
t; <<a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>>=
, "Jim Ryan" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ryan@jimryan.com";>ryan@jimryan.com</a>><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>So I =
assume that you know that his driving ability was the cause of the =
accident. Maybe someone or something was in the road and he tried to =
avoid it, or maybe there was a mechanical =
failure.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>Are =
you will to give up your license at a set age no matter your physical =
health.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>If =
you are assuming it was his age then how about you set an age that =
everyone has to stop driving and see how far that =
goes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>I =
know many people well into there 80s that are perfectly safe =
drivers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>David =
Nock<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><strong><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Fr=
om:</span></strong><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
josef-eckert--- via Healeys<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><strong><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Se=
nt:</span></strong><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Thursday, October 06, 2022 12:32 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><strong><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To=
:</span></strong><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Jim Ryan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><strong><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Cc=
:</span></strong><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Forum Healey<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><strong><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Su=
bject:</span></strong><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey =
100<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
</div><div><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Yes=
, please forward my comment to his family. </span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thi=
s person hasn=C2=B4t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for other =
people on the road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even pedestrians, =
which are on our rural roads as well and also want to live and be not =
hurt by such a person.</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sor=
ry, no mercy at all from my side.</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>-----Original-Nachricht-----<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - =
Rallyist Killed in Healey 100<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Datum: =
2022-10-06T21:15:03+0200<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Von: "Jim Ryan" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ryan@jimryan.com";>ryan@jimryan.com</a>><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>An: "<a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>&quo=
t; <<a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Well, THAT was harsh. You =
might want to forward that to his family just so they know how you feel =
about him. When exactly is it you think we should all stop =
driving? Is it 75? 80? I'm 71, I just want to get your =
advice on what age I'm endangering other people. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>That was easily the most =
insensitive posting I have ever seen on this =
list.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM =
josef-eckert--- via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>To be honest, I have =
no respect for such a person, or better 82 years old fart who brought =
others in danger with his driving. Thankfully no other person was =
invoved and injured. <br><br>Its very common all over in central Europe =
to have these ditches, trees or even walls along country roads. That is =
how we love it. <br><br>For big money you can book in to take part in =
one of these leasure ra=C4=BAlys, where you get all accomodation =
organised, only you have to come from a to b along. these rallys are =
mainly booked from those mainly elderly people who do not know what to =
do otherwise with their money, even they are completely overextended by =
driving an old classic car. <br><br>One should be wise enough to give up =
driving, when you are no more capable to drive. <br><br>I am only sorry =
about the wrecked Austin-Healey.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Josef =
Eckert<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>konigswinter/GERMANY<br><br><br>&n=
bsp; <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>-----Original-Nachricht----- =
<br><br>Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100 =
<br><br>Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200 <br><br>Von: "Michael =
Oritt" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";>michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> =
<br><br>An: "Michael Salter" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> =
<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>Michael-- =
<br><br> <br><br>Most of them weren't "open" =
ditches--they were filled with rocks. <br><br>I fondly =
recall the time we missed a left-hander, went off the road, somehow =
hurtled OVER the ditch and landed in a tree in a fellow's front =
yard. As I remember it he stood there rather stunned while we =
cleared the branches out of the wheel openings, then hopped into the car =
and took off without much conversation. <br><br> =
<br><br>Best--Michael Oritt <br><br><br>On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM =
Michael Salter via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote: <br><br>"all the roads are surrounded by open drainage =
ditches." <br><br>Just like Newfoundland which for me was a major =
factor in giving up on the Targa there. <br><br> <br><br>M =
<br><br>On Wed., Oct. 5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt; wrote: <br><br>Italian roads are amazing for driving through =
beautiful countryside, but they are deadly because all the roads are =
surrounded by open drainage ditches. <br><br><br>On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at =
3:27 AM, Richard Kahn via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote: <br><br>I saw this yesterday. Very sad on so many levels. I was =
wondering if this is the drive a number of the Southern California =
Healey Association members are on in Europe at this moment. =
<br><br> <br><br>From: Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>healeys-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>> on behalf of Randy Hicks via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
<br>Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:40 AM <br>To: Healey List <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
<br>Subject: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100 =
<br><br> <br><br>Awful. <br><br> <br><br><a =
href=3D"https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-=
crash-rally-austin-healey/">https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-=
expat-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/</a> <br><br> =
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