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Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
From: Bill Babcock via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:02:23 -0800
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I=E2=80=99ve never really understood the passion for aviation permeatex. =
It=E2=80=99s unpleasant stuff and makes a mess. I think it=E2=80=99s =
just handy and comes in a big can so once you buy some it=E2=80=99s =
hanging around in your shop forever. I have a can that=E2=80=99s =
probably 30 years old=E2=80=94it will probably be around long after I =
kick. I never use it.=20

> On Feb 7, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John H. Hasty <jhasty@mhc-law.com> wrote:
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> I used Yamabond  #4 & #5 for 15 years on my race bikes, no gaskets at =
all=E2=80=A6..great stuff.
> =20
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> John H. Hasty
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> From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fot
> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:23 PM
> To: Marcel Van Mulders <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>
> Cc: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3@yahoo.com>; fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
> =20
> The Japanese motorcycle manufacturers solved the fundamental =
gasket-enhancement issue long ago, with two products that perform like =
Hylomar but IMHO are a bit better. Yamaha called them Yamabond #4 and =
#5. The product is actually made by Threebond, and about every MC =
company uses them and private labels the stuff, including Ducati. #4 is =
a heavier consistency and can be used in gasket-less applications. #5 is =
thin, flexible and non-hardening and works well for coating gaskets. It =
won=E2=80=99t tear thin paper gaskets during disassembly. Great stuff.=20=

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> On Feb 7, 2021, at 9:45 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot =
> =20
> Frank, indeed Hylomar is a right sealant and Silicone is not. Hylomar =
is a not-setting, non hardening product that allows metal to metal =
contact even when the cylinderhead is torqued down only after one day.
> The purpose of the silicone sealants is to form a sheet when cured (by =
the moisture in the air) and cannot be compressed after some time. The =
Permatex brand : the brown stuff is ok, but Permatex blue RTV silicone =
is not. Curing by moisture is slower than anaerobic curing : one could =
apply silicone to the Fo8 gaskets and torque the cylhead down =
immediately, but that is taking risks and it is not the intended use of =
RTV silicone.
> Marcel
>=20
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> =20
> Aan: "Triumph List" <triumphs@autox.team.net =
> Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 02:30:33
> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
> =20
> hylomar.
> =20
> never sets up solid like silicone.
> that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come =
back, mess around.=20
> leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow.
> =20
> the best gasket dressing ever invented.
> =20
> Frank
> =20
> On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin =
> =20
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> Folks
> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the =
preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each =
of you in your various engine re-builds.  And  any comments / =
observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am =
building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello =
rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a =
ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with =
diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife =
4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover.  Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 =
oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy =
pedestals.  BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed =
mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections.  The head =
chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even =
things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each.  I am =
planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 =
=E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D compression rings on the head side of the gasket =
that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side.  Gasket Works =
sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a =
liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003.  Am aiming at a compression ratio =
of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as =
possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right =
as I can.
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants =
used on Fo8 gaskets<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The Japanese motorcycle manufacturers =
solved the fundamental gasket-enhancement issue long ago, with two =
products that perform like Hylomar but IMHO are a bit better. Yamaha =
called them Yamabond #4 and #5. The product is actually made by =
Threebond, and about every MC company uses them and private labels the =
stuff, including Ducati. #4 is a heavier consistency and can be used in =
gasket-less applications. #5 is thin, flexible and non-hardening and =
works well for coating gaskets. It won=E2=80=99t tear thin paper gaskets =
during disassembly. Great stuff.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
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5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:=
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class=3D"">On Feb 7, 2021, at 9:45 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
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wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Frank, indeed Hylomar is a =
right sealant and Silicone is not. Hylomar is a not-setting, non =
hardening product that allows metal to metal contact even when the =
cylinderhead is torqued down only after one day.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The purpose of the silicone sealants is to form =
a sheet when cured (by the moisture in the air) and cannot be compressed =
after some time. The Permatex brand : the brown stuff is ok, but =
Permatex blue RTV silicone is not. Curing by moisture is slower than =
anaerobic curing : one could apply silicone to the Fo8 gaskets and =
torque the cylhead down immediately, but that is taking risks and it is =
not the intended use of RTV silicone.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Marcel<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><br style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; widows: 2; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; =
word-spacing: 0px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
align=3D"center" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><hr size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" id=3D"zwchr" =
class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Van:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">"fot" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color:=
 blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Aan:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>"Triumph List" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;, =
"fot" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;, "Dan =
Cronin" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adcronin@mi.rr.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">adcronin@mi.rr.com</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Verzonden:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Zondag 7 februari 2021 =
02:30:33<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Onderwerp:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants =
used on Fo8 gaskets<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">hylomar.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">never sets up solid like =
silicone.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">that means you have time =
to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess =
around.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div=
 style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">leave it overnight and =
take up the task again tomorrow.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">the best gasket dressing =
ever invented.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Frank<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydp2984ea6cyahoo_quoted_3384257547" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" =
class=3D"">On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adcronin@mi.rr.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">adcronin@mi.rr.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div class=3D""><div =
id=3D"ydp2984ea6cyiv8272376385" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" =
class=3D"">Folks<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" =
class=3D"">Looking for some background information and recommendations =
on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked =
for each of you in your various engine re-builds. &nbsp;And &nbsp;any =
comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The =
motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with =
Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the =
front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy =
Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive =
shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. &nbsp;Stainless =
Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S =
roller rockers on alloy pedestals. &nbsp;BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A =
head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior =
imperfections. &nbsp;The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth =
any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of =
60.5cc each. &nbsp;I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper =
gasket with their 0.005 =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D compression rings on the =
head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on =
each side. &nbsp;Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that =
has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. &nbsp;Am =
aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward =
to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this =
critical step as close to right as I can.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
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