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When I last raced my TR3 in 2012, the engine had been together for a coupl=
e years and I had been using Joe Gibbs=C2=A0 XP1 oil for probably 5 years.=
=C2=A0 Never had any problems with it dissolving the Aviation Permatex on t=
he rear seal enough to cause a leak, but I would find pieces of the sealant=
on the oil pick-up screens.=C2=A0 The engine is back together and in the c=
ar to race this year, assembled again with the Aviation Permatex on the rea=
r seal.=C2=A0 I guess I will need to find another oil.=C2=A0 To save some r=
esearch time, does anyone have suggestions of oil that does not attack the =
Aviation Permatex?=C2=A0 =C2=A0I have been using Shaffers race oils in my M=
iata.=C2=A0 I will need to check with them about compatibility.=C2=A0 It wo=
uld make it easier to have just one flavor of oil in the garage and trailer=
.=C2=A0 Joe B.
On Sunday, February 7, 2021, 10:49:28 AM EST, vfracing--- via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driv=
en/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for =
rear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gasket=
s.
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Ricco via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
FOT,
I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intendin=
g to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. =C2=A0 I know tha=
t many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if t=
hat is your belief.
However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being =
added every day. =C2=A0Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils =
have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the tra=
ditional sealants. =C2=A0They will actually dissolve them even after they a=
re cured.
My tought here - =C2=A0if you have interest in trying a particular oil you =
should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant comp=
atibility. =C2=A0Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having =
to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc,=
etc.
Just my two-sense on the sealant subject.
Paul Ricco
On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
Don=E2=80=99t know if it=E2=80=99s my trick or if everyone does it but...=
=C2=A0Once I=E2=80=99ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I u=
se a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve =
lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it =
up good and then use your sealant of choice.Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=80=9D H=
ilyerAlbuquerque NM
On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
hylomar.
never sets up solid like silicone.that means you have time to set the liner=
s and go have a scotch, come back, mess around.=C2=A0leave it overnight and=
take up the task again tomorrow.
the best gasket dressing ever invented.
Frank
On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin <adcronin@mi.r=
r.com> wrote: =20
=20
FolksLooking for some background information and recommendations on the pr=
eferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of y=
ou in your various engine re-builds. =C2=A0And =C2=A0any comments / observa=
tions you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building ha=
s a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts an=
d a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper =
and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA =
conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back c=
over. =C2=A0Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Br=
onze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. =C2=A0BPNW 270 duration=
cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remo=
ve prior imperfections. =C2=A0The head chambers have been mildly worked to =
smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume =
of 60.5cc each. =C2=A0I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper=
gasket with their 0.005 =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D compression rings on the head =
side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side.=
=C2=A0Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed m=
e to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. =C2=A0Am aiming at a com=
pression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many response=
s as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to rig=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">When I last raced my TR3 in =
2012, the engine had been together for a couple years and I had been using =
Joe Gibbs XP1 oil for probably 5 years. Never had any problems =
with it dissolving the Aviation Permatex on the rear seal enough to cause a=
leak, but I would find pieces of the sealant on the oil pick-up screens.&n=
bsp; The engine is back together and in the car to race this year, assemble=
d again with the Aviation Permatex on the rear seal. I guess I will n=
eed to find another oil. To save some research time, does anyone have=
suggestions of oil that does not attack the Aviation Permatex?  =
;I have been using Shaffers race oils in my Miata. I will need to che=
ck with them about compatibility. It would make it easier to have jus=
t one flavor of oil in the garage and trailer. Joe B.</div><div><br><=
/div>
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On Sunday, February 7, 2021, 10:49:28 AM EST, vfracing-=
-- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><div><div style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:black;"><=
div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:=
black;">Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, t=
he Driven/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popul=
ar for rear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8=
gaskets.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-----Orig=
inal Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Paul Ricco via Fot <fot@autox.=
team.net><br clear=3D"none">To: Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.ne=
t><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am<br clear=3D"none">S=
ubject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets<br clear=3D"none"><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540yqt4192000133" id=
=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540yqt15038"><div id=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540">=
<div>FOT,<div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><br clear=3D"none" class=
=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"=
>I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intendi=
ng to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. I know th=
at many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if =
that is your belief.</div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><br clear=
=3D"none" class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div><div class=3D"ydp59144c3=
1yiv2934124540">However, there are many good race oil choices on the market=
and more being added every day. Some of the synthetic and synthetic =
blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to=
some of the traditional sealants. They will actually dissolve them e=
ven after they are cured.</div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div><div class=3D"ydp59=
144c31yiv2934124540">My tought here - if you have interest in trying =
a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support r=
egarding sealant compatibility. Do some homework upfront and it will =
save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main =
gasket, oil pan, etc, etc.</div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><br=
clear=3D"none" class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div><div class=3D"ydp5=
9144c31yiv2934124540">Just my two-sense on the sealant subject.</div><div c=
lass=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"ydp59144c31yi=
v2934124540"></div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540">Paul Ricco</div>=
<div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540yqt0102699441" id=3D"ydp59144c31yiv29=
34124540yqt90317"><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><div><br clear=3D=
"none" class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><blockquote class=3D"ydp59144c31y=
iv2934124540" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540">On Feb =
6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp=
59144c31yiv2934124540" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br clear=3D"none"=
class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"=
ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div c=
lass=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540yqt0102699441" id=3D"ydp59144c31yiv29341245=
40yqt79230"><div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><div class=3D"ydp5=
9144c31yiv2934124540" dir=3D"ltr"></div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124=
540" dir=3D"ltr">Don=E2=80=99t know if it=E2=80=99s my trick or if everyone=
does it but... </div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540" dir=3D"l=
tr">Once I=E2=80=99ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use=
a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve la=
pping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up=
good and then use your sealant of choice.</div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yi=
v2934124540" dir=3D"ltr">Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=80=9D Hilyer</div><div cla=
ss=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540" dir=3D"ltr">Albuquerque NM</div><div class=
=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540" dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"ydp59=
144c31yiv2934124540">On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot <<=
a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540" href=3D"mailto:fot@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> w=
rote:<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><br clear=3D"non=
e" class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div><blockquote class=3D"ydp59144c3=
1yiv2934124540" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540" dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540ydpa6a2aedcyahoo-style-wrap"=
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-siz=
e:16px;"><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div>
<div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540" dir=3D"ltr">hylomar.</div><=
div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540" dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none" class=
=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"=
dir=3D"ltr">never sets up solid like silicone.</div><div class=3D"ydp59144=
c31yiv2934124540" dir=3D"ltr">that means you have time to set the liners an=
d go have a scotch, come back, mess around. </div><div class=3D"ydp591=
44c31yiv2934124540" dir=3D"ltr">leave it overnight and take up the task aga=
in tomorrow.</div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540" dir=3D"ltr"><br c=
lear=3D"none" class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div><div class=3D"ydp591=
44c31yiv2934124540" dir=3D"ltr">the best gasket dressing ever invented.</di=
v><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540" dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none" cl=
ass=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv29341245=
40" dir=3D"ltr">Frank</div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><br clea=
r=3D"none" class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div>
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On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Croni=
n <<a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540" href=3D"mailto:a=
dcronin@mi.rr.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">adcronin@mi.rr.com</a=
>> wrote:
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<div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"></div>
<div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><br clear=3D"none" =
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<div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540"><div class=3D"ydp59=
144c31yiv2934124540" id=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540ydp2984ea6cyiv8272376385=
"><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv2934124540">Folks<div class=3D"ydp59144c31yiv=
2934124540ydp2984ea6cyiv8272376385">Looking for some background information=
and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seem=
s to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. An=
d any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off li=
st. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along=
with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the =
front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel w=
ith diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife=
4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050=
oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pede=
stals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mos=
tly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambe=
rs have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out wi=
th a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on instal=
ling Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D =
compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with =
a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individ=
ual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0=
.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looki=
ng forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this=
critical step as close to right as I can.</div><div class=3D"ydp59144c31yi=
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