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Where did the information about a Driven oils not being compatible with Perm=
atex Aviation come from? I contacted Driven and they are not aware of any i=
ncompatibility with Aviation Permatex. Joe B. =20
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:49 AM, vfracing--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driv=
en/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for r=
ear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gaskets.=
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Ricco via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
>=20
> FOT,
>=20
> I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intendi=
ng to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. I know that man=
y on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is=
your belief.
>=20
> However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being=
added every day. Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have a=
n additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditiona=
l sealants. They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured.
>=20
> My tought here - if you have interest in trying a particular oil you shou=
ld check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibi=
lity. Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear dow=
n a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc.
>=20
> Just my two-sense on the sealant subject.
>=20
> Paul Ricco
>=20
>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
>>=20
>=20
> Don=E2=80=99t know if it=E2=80=99s my trick or if everyone does it but...=20=
> Once I=E2=80=99ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a o=
ld liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping=
compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good a=
nd then use your sealant of choice.
> Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=80=9D Hilyer
> Albuquerque NM
>=20
> On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
>=20
>> hylomar.
>>=20
>> never sets up solid like silicone.
>> that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come bac=
k, mess around.=20
>> leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow.
>>=20
>> the best gasket dressing ever invented.
>>=20
>> Frank
>>=20
>> On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin <adcronin@mi.rr.=
com> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Folks
>> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the prefer=
red Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in=
your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose=
to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston a=
nd liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy ma=
in crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a=
Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy=
drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel=
valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rock=
ers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 r=
emoved mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head ch=
ambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out=
with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installin=
g Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D comp=
ression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a cop=
per coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets=
that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am ai=
ming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as m=
any responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as c=
lose to right as I can.
>> DC
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Where did the information about a Driven oi=
ls not being compatible with Permatex Aviation come from? I contacted D=
riven and they are not aware of any incompatibility with Aviation Permatex. &=
nbsp;Joe B. <br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:49 AM, vfracing=
--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:black;"><div style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Great point, Pau=
l; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driven/Joe Gibbs oil w=
e use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for rear main cap side s=
eals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gaskets.<br><br><br>-----Or=
iginal Message-----<br>From: Paul Ricco via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><b=
r>To: Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net><br>Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 202=
1 10:16 am<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets<br><br></=
div><div id=3D"yiv2896602717"><div>FOT,<div class=3D"yiv2896602717"><br clea=
r=3D"none" class=3D"yiv2896602717"></div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717">I have=
one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to re=
start the entire oil debate by commenting on this. I know that many o=
n the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is yo=
ur belief.</div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv=
2896602717"></div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717">However, there are many good r=
ace oil choices on the market and more being added every day. Some of t=
he synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them t=
hat is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. They will a=
ctually dissolve them even after they are cured.</div><div class=3D"yiv28966=
02717"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv2896602717"></div><div class=3D"yiv289=
6602717">My tought here - if you have interest in trying a particular o=
il you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealan=
t compatibility. Do some homework upfront and it will save you from ha=
ving to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, e=
tc, etc.</div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv28=
96602717"></div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717">Just my two-sense on the sealan=
t subject.</div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv=
2896602717"></div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717">Paul Ricco</div><div class=3D=
"yiv2896602717yqt0102699441" id=3D"yiv2896602717yqt90317"><div class=3D"yiv2=
896602717"><div><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv2896602717"><blockquote class=
=3D"yiv2896602717" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"yiv2896602717">On Feb 6, 2021=
, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer=
" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv2896602717" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</=
a>> wrote:</div><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv2896602717Apple-interchang=
e-newline"><div class=3D"yiv2896602717"></div></blockquote></div></div></div=
></div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717yqt0102699441" id=3D"yiv2896602717yqt79230=
"><div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717"><div class=3D"yiv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr"=
></div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr">Don=E2=80=99t know if it=E2=80=
=99s my trick or if everyone does it but... </div><div class=3D"yiv2896=
602717" dir=3D"ltr">Once I=E2=80=99ve got the liner landing as clean as I ca=
n get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with=
some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face=
. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice.</div><div class=3D"y=
iv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr">Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=80=9D Hilyer</div><div cla=
ss=3D"yiv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr">Albuquerque NM</div><div class=3D"yiv289660=
2717" dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv2896602717">On Feb 6, 2021,=
at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer=
" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv2896602717" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</=
a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv2896602717"><br clear=3D"none" c=
lass=3D"yiv2896602717"></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv2896602717" type=3D"cit=
e"><div class=3D"yiv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"yiv2896602717ydpa6=
a2aedcyahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Aria=
l, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class=3D"yiv2896602717"></div>
<div class=3D"yiv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr">hylomar.</div><div class=3D=
"yiv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv2896602717"></div=
><div class=3D"yiv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr">never sets up solid like silicone.=
</div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr">that means you have time to s=
et the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. </div><div c=
lass=3D"yiv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr">leave it overnight and take up the task a=
gain tomorrow.</div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"no=
ne" class=3D"yiv2896602717"></div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717" dir=3D"ltr">t=
he best gasket dressing ever invented.</div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717" dir=
=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv2896602717"></div><div class=3D"yiv2=
896602717" dir=3D"ltr">Frank</div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717"><br clear=3D"=
none" class=3D"yiv2896602717"></div>
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</div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717ydp2984ea6cyahoo_quoted" id=3D"yiv2=
896602717ydp2984ea6cyahoo_quoted_3384257547">
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e', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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<div class=3D"yiv2896602717">
On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin=
<<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv2896=
602717" ymailto=3D"mailto:adcronin@mi.rr.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mail=
to:adcronin@mi.rr.com">adcronin@mi.rr.com</a>> wrote:
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2896602717"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv=
2896602717"></div>
<div class=3D"yiv2896602717"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv=
2896602717"></div>
<div class=3D"yiv2896602717"><div class=3D"yiv2896602717" id=
=3D"yiv2896602717ydp2984ea6cyiv8272376385"><div class=3D"yiv2896602717">Folk=
s<div class=3D"yiv2896602717ydp2984ea6cyiv8272376385">Looking for some backg=
round information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing co=
mpound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-b=
uilds. And any comments / observations you choose to share eithe=
r on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit f=
rom BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank conne=
cted at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy=
Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft t=
o a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves w=
ith 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on al=
loy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 remo=
ved mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head c=
hambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things ou=
t with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on ins=
talling Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D=
compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a=
copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individua=
l gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.00=
3. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking f=
orward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this crit=
ical step as close to right as I can.</div><div class=3D"yiv2896602717ydp298=
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