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Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>
From: my.mga.tc@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 10:01:11 -0800 (PST)
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Allen:<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The longest time for me to build the wiring diagram in 
Visio
      is the time to build the icons for the various components to look
      as much like the original diagram as possible.&nbsp; Would $2.00 a copy
      for PDFs be too much?&nbsp; That way people who want to print it can
      take the PDF to their nearest Kinko's and those who like to use a
      PC or tablet could use it electronically.&nbsp; Also, I will need some
      input about what size most folks would want it to be for printing
      and the corrections that need to made.&nbsp; I know about the wiper
      motor, and I'll check about the clock when I get home tonight, are
      there any more problems?<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Perkins<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
      On 12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:9886F47B-FB61-4DE8-9F69-1C58347A50F0@comcast.net" 
type="cite">Perkins,
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      <div>I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you
        should be paid for your time and effort. &nbsp;If you could hang a
        price tag on the completed item, perhaps we could price it out
        and have folks receive the PDF file once they're paid, or maybe
        there are a handful of us on the list who just want to kick in
        enough that you would be comfortable distributing it to all.
        &nbsp;What works for you?</div>
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      <div>Thanks!</div>
      <div>Allen<br>
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          <div>On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:</div>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Rick and Allen:<br>
                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could 
reproduce the
                wiring diagram in Visio and color the wires in as
                correct a color as Visio will allow.&nbsp; Then output it as
                a PDF file that anyone could print on either 8.5 by 11
                or 11 by 17 paper.&nbsp; We could even use this to fix the
                problem with the wiper motor wiring that is in the
                factory shop manual.<br>
                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Perkins<br>
                <br>
                On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:9F7BE024-72B1-496F-85BD-38F5D0EEE581@lpl.arizona.edu" type="cite">
                <div>Allen et al.,</div>
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                <div>Regarding (1): &nbsp;I would be happy to scan the wiring
                  diagrams from the shop manual. &nbsp;My scanner is a cheap
                  hp printer, but it could produce a workable digital
                  image. &nbsp;Then anyone could print and laminate their own
                  from the digital file. &nbsp;</div>
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                <div>If you want an artistic version, suitable for
                  framing, you might want to use a better scanner
                  though.</div>
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                <div>Let me know if you want a digital scan.</div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>--Rick</div>
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                  <div>On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder
                    wrote:</div>
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                      conversation with one of our own, two concerns
                      arose which I promised to address about a week
                      ago. &nbsp;I apologize for the delay, but my past week
                      has been memorable for its interruptions. &nbsp;
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                      <div>Two questions:</div>
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                        <div>1.) &nbsp;Is there somebody in our noble band
                          who either could or would be interested in
                          making up enlarged wiring diagrams for the
                          Magnette. I know there are at least four of
                          them, and maybe some choices would have to be
                          made, but did somebody volunteer that they
                          could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy
                          either laminated or suitable for lamination?
                          If you are not such a person but have access
                          to equipment that could produce same, for a
                          PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales of
                          two of these from the get-go. &nbsp;I know we
                          discussed this at some time but cannot recall
                          how we left it.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread
                          a year or two ago, and somebody found that
                          Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution
                          center (somewhere in Ohio?) from which we
                          might be able to expect a supply of new
                          windscreens. &nbsp;Is there a follow-up story here?
                          There are those of us who either need one or
                          would buy one as a spare should they become
                          available. &nbsp;Once again, any new information
                          about this would certainly be welcome. &nbsp;I know
                          the nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to
                          land a shipment of windscreens and rear
                          Varitone glasses here in the US of A. &nbsp;I
                          suspect a good many of those of us of the
                          Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a
                          stash of these bits available in North
                          America, but I wouldn't wish this task on
                          Steve again for anything. &nbsp;So... can anybody
                          report anything new on this concern?</div>
                        <div><br>
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                      </blockquote>
                      Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this
                      conversation!
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                      <div>Holiday Cheers,</div>
                      <div>Allen<br>
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