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| Subject: | Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <zmagnette.autox.team.net> |
| From: | John Perkins <wrench@attglobal.net> |
| Date: | Sat, 07 Dec 2013 09:16:47 -0600 |
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Wow, I didn't think there would be this much response. LannM sent me a
copy of a Visio diagram he did for his MGB, so I can reuse a lot of his
icons. I'll have to go through my archives to find the problem with the
wiper motor wiring - didn't Mike Ash put that in one of his MGA!
columns? I make sure the clock is in as well. I'll build the diagram
for 11 x 17 paper since that's a standard size that all copy stores will
have. I should have a draft version of it by the end of next week ready
for technical evaluation before we distribute it out.
Perkins
On 12/6/2013 10:09 PM, Mike Coe wrote:
> Me two. Although I have a brand new wiring loom to 'eventually' into
> on my Magnette.
> Cheers.
> Mike Coe -- Calgary
> *Sent:* Friday, December 06, 2013 5:39 PM
> *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens
> Perkins,
> I can only respond for myself. For $2, it's a no-brainer. I can't
> imagine where I'd draw the line, but it's a no-brainer for a lot more
> than $2. As long as it doesn't turn into 1" squares when blown up to
> 11 X 17, I'm happy to pay $2. ' Hope you would accept Paypal. That
> would mean I could order and pay for it electronically, you could send
> it to me electronically, I could email it to Fedex/Kinkos or UPS. The
> only real thing I have do is drive down and pick it up. Just let me
> know when the store opens. And this comes from a member who has
> already wired his Magnette...
> Holiday Cheers,
> Allen
> */****************************************************************/*
> */Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs/*
> */'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT/*
> */North Street, MI 48049, USA/*
> */http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs/*
> */****************************************************************/*
> On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:24 PM, John Perkins wrote:
>
>> Allen:
>> The longest time for me to build the wiring diagram in Visio is
>> the time to build the icons for the various components to look as
>> much like the original diagram as possible. Would $2.00 a copy for
>> PDFs be too much? That way people who want to print it can take the
>> PDF to their nearest Kinko's and those who like to use a PC or tablet
>> could use it electronically. Also, I will need some input about what
>> size most folks would want it to be for printing and the corrections
>> that need to made. I know about the wiper motor, and I'll check
>> about the clock when I get home tonight, are there any more problems?
>> Perkins
>>
>> On 12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>> Perkins,
>>> I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you should be
>>> paid for your time and effort. If you could hang a price tag on the
>>> completed item, perhaps we could price it out and have folks receive
>>> the PDF file once they're paid, or maybe there are a handful of us
>>> on the list who just want to kick in enough that you would be
>>> comfortable distributing it to all. What works for you?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Allen
>>> */****************************************************************/*
>>> */Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs/*
>>> */'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT/*
>>> */North Street, MI 48049, USA/*
>>> */http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs/*
>>> */****************************************************************/*
>>> On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rick and Allen:
>>>> As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring
>>>> diagram in Visio and color the wires in as correct a color as Visio
>>>> will allow. Then output it as a PDF file that anyone could print
>>>> on either 8.5 by 11 or 11 by 17 paper. We could even use this to
>>>> fix the problem with the wiper motor wiring that is in the factory
>>>> shop manual.
>>>> Perkins
>>>>
>>>> On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>>>>> Allen et al.,
>>>>> Regarding (1): I would be happy to scan the wiring diagrams from
>>>>> the shop manual. My scanner is a cheap hp printer, but it could
>>>>> produce a workable digital image. Then anyone could print and
>>>>> laminate their own from the digital file.
>>>>> If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you might
>>>>> want to use a better scanner though.
>>>>> Let me know if you want a digital scan.
>>>>> --Rick
>>>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In a recent phone conversation with one of our own, two concerns
>>>>>> arose which I promised to address about a week ago. I apologize
>>>>>> for the delay, but my past week has been memorable for its
>>>>>> interruptions.
>>>>>> Two questions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.) Is there somebody in our noble band who either could or
>>>>>> would be interested in making up enlarged wiring diagrams for
>>>>>> the Magnette. I know there are at least four of them, and
>>>>>> maybe some choices would have to be made, but did somebody
>>>>>> volunteer that they could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram
>>>>>> copy either laminated or suitable for lamination? If you are
>>>>>> not such a person but have access to equipment that could
>>>>>> produce same, for a PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales
>>>>>> of two of these from the get-go. I know we discussed this at
>>>>>> some time but cannot recall how we left it.
>>>>>> 2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two ago,
>>>>>> and somebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US
>>>>>> distribution center (somewhere in Ohio?) from which we might
>>>>>> be able to expect a supply of new windscreens. Is there a
>>>>>> follow-up story here? There are those of us who either need
>>>>>> one or would buy one as a spare should they become
>>>>>> available. Once again, any new information about this would
>>>>>> certainly be welcome. I know the nightmare Steve Hanegan
>>>>>> went through to land a shipment of windscreens and rear
>>>>>> Varitone glasses here in the US of A. I suspect a good many
>>>>>> of those of us of the Varitone persuasion would be cheered to
>>>>>> find a stash of these bits available in North America, but I
>>>>>> wouldn't wish this task on Steve again for anything. So...
>>>>>> can anybody report anything new on this concern?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this conversation!
>>>>>> Holiday Cheers,
>>>>>> Allen
>>>>>> */****************************************************************/*
>>>>>> */Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
>>>>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs/*
>>>>>> */'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT/*
>>>>>> */North Street, MI 48049, USA/*
>>>>>> */http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs/*
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Wow, I didn't think there would be this
much response. LannM sent me a copy of a Visio diagram he did for
his MGB, so I can reuse a lot of his icons. I'll have to go
through my archives to find the problem with the wiper motor
wiring - didn't Mike Ash put that in one of his MGA! columns? I
make sure the clock is in as well. I'll build the diagram for 11
x 17 paper since that's a standard size that all copy stores will
have. I should have a draft version of it by the end of next week
ready for technical evaluation before we distribute it out.<br>
Perkins<br>
<br>
On 12/6/2013 10:09 PM, Mike Coe wrote:<br>
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<div>Me two. Although I have a brand new wiring loom to
‘eventually’ into on my Magnette.</div>
<div>Cheers.</div>
<div>Mike Coe – Calgary</div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 06, 2013 5:39 PM</div>
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title="zmagnette@autox.team.net"
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and
windscreens</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri';
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<div>I can only respond for myself. For $2, it's a
no-brainer. I can't imagine where I'd draw the line, but
it's a no-brainer for a lot more than $2. As long as it
doesn't turn into 1" squares when blown up to 11 X 17, I'm
happy to pay $2. ' Hope you would accept Paypal. That
would mean I could order and pay for it electronically,
you could send it to me electronically, I could email it
to Fedex/Kinkos or UPS. The only real thing I have do is
drive down and pick it up. Just let me know when the
store opens. And this comes from a member who has
already wired his Magnette...</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Holiday Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen</div>
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<div>On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:24 PM, John Perkins wrote:</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Allen:<br>
The longest time for me to build the
wiring
diagram in Visio is the time to build the icons
for the various components to look as much like
the original diagram as possible. Would $2.00 a
copy for PDFs be too much? That way people who
want to print it can take the PDF to their nearest
Kinko's and those who like to use a PC or tablet
could use it electronically. Also, I will need
some input about what size most folks would want
it to be for printing and the corrections that
need to made. I know about the wiper motor, and
I'll check about the clock when I get home
tonight, are there any more problems?<br>
Perkins<br>
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On 12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
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<div>I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I
also think you should be paid for your time and
effort. If you could hang a price tag on the
completed item, perhaps we could price it out
and have folks receive the PDF file once they're
paid, or maybe there are a handful of us on the
list who just want to kick in enough that you
would be comfortable distributing it to all.
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<div>On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins
wrote:</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Rick and
Allen:<br>
As I'm sitting in hotel
rooms, I
could reproduce the wiring diagram in
Visio and color the wires in as correct
a color as Visio will allow. Then
output it as a PDF file that anyone
could print on either 8.5 by 11 or 11 by
17 paper. We could even use this to fix
the problem with the wiper motor wiring
that is in the factory shop manual.<br>
Perkins<br>
<br>
On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg
wrote:<br>
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<div>Allen et al.,</div>
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<div>Regarding (1): I would be happy to
scan the wiring diagrams from the shop
manual. My scanner is a cheap hp
printer, but it could produce a
workable digital image. Then anyone
could print and laminate their own
from the digital file. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>If you want an artistic version,
suitable for framing, you might want
to use a better scanner though.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Let me know if you want a digital
scan.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>--Rick</div>
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<div>
<div>On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM,
Allen Bachelder wrote:</div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word;
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after-white-space">In a recent
phone conversation with one of our
own, two concerns arose which I
promised to address about a week
ago. I apologize for the delay,
but my past week has been
memorable for its
interruptions.
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<div>Two questions:</div>
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<div>1.) Is there somebody in
our noble band who either
could or would be interested
in making up enlarged wiring
diagrams for the Magnette. I
know there are at least four
of them, and maybe some
choices would have to be made,
but did somebody volunteer
that they could provide an 11
X 17 wiring diagram copy
either laminated or suitable
for lamination? If you are not
such a person but have access
to equipment that could
produce same, for a PRICE of
course, I can guaranty you
sales of two of these from the
get-go. I know we discussed
this at some time but cannot
recall how we left it.</div>
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<div>2.) We also focused on a
windscreen thread a year or
two ago, and somebody found
that Pilkington (?name?) had a
US distribution center
(somewhere in Ohio?) from
which we might be able to
expect a supply of new
windscreens. Is there a
follow-up story here? There
are those of us who either
need one or would buy one as a
spare should they become
available. Once again, any
new information about this
would certainly be welcome. I
know the nightmare Steve
Hanegan went through to land a
shipment of windscreens and
rear Varitone glasses here in
the US of A. I suspect a good
many of those of us of the
Varitone persuasion would be
cheered to find a stash of
these bits available in North
America, but I wouldn't wish
this task on Steve again for
anything. So... can anybody
report anything new on this
concern?</div>
<div> </div>
</blockquote>
Many thanks to anybody who can
contribute to this conversation!
<div> </div>
<div>Holiday Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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