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I would like a wiring diagram for my magnette .
Thanks
Allen. Bradle
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 7, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Allen Bachelder <bachldrs@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Perkins,
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> One for me also. If I recall correctly, however, there are at least to var=
iants: one for trafficators and one for flashing turn indicators. There may b=
e yet another variable - making for one or two other variants. ' Can't recal=
l for sure. My own preference would be for the flashing indicators, but I'm=
sure there are others who would differ. Perhaps it is possible to show bot=
h alternatives in the same diagram???
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> Thanks!=20
> Allen
> ****************************************************************
> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
> North Street, MI 48049, USA
> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
> ****************************************************************
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>> On Dec 7, 2013, at 7:51 PM, Dan Suter wrote:
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>> John, I would like to get one as well (and I don't even have a Magnette y=
et...).
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>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Perkins
>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 10:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens
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>> Wow, I didn't think there would be this much response. LannM sent me a c=
opy of a Visio diagram he did for his MGB, so I can reuse a lot of his icons=
. I'll have to go through my archives to find the problem with the wiper mo=
tor wiring - didn't Mike Ash put that in one of his MGA! columns? I make su=
re the clock is in as well. I'll build the diagram for 11 x 17 paper since t=
hat's a standard size that all copy stores will have. I should have a draft=
version of it by the end of next week ready for technical evaluation before=
we distribute it out.
>> Perkins
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>>> On 12/6/2013 10:09 PM, Mike Coe wrote:
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>>> Me two. Although I have a brand new wiring loom to =E2=80=98eventually=E2=
=80=99 into on my Magnette.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Mike Coe =E2=80=93 Calgary
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>>> From: Allen Bachelder
>>> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 5:39 PM
>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens
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>>> Perkins,
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>>> I can only respond for myself. For $2, it's a no-brainer. I can't imagi=
ne where I'd draw the line, but it's a no-brainer for a lot more than $2. As=
long as it doesn't turn into 1" squares when blown up to 11 X 17, I'm happy=
to pay $2. ' Hope you would accept Paypal. That would mean I could order a=
nd pay for it electronically, you could send it to me electronically, I coul=
d email it to Fedex/Kinkos or UPS. The only real thing I have do is drive d=
own and pick it up. Just let me know when the store opens. And this comes=
from a member who has already wired his Magnette...
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>>> Holiday Cheers,
>>> Allen
>>> ****************************************************************
>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>>> ****************************************************************
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>>>> On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:24 PM, John Perkins wrote:
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>>>> Allen:
>>>> The longest time for me to build the wiring diagram in Visio is the=
time to build the icons for the various components to look as much like the=
original diagram as possible. Would $2.00 a copy for PDFs be too much? Th=
at way people who want to print it can take the PDF to their nearest Kinko's=
and those who like to use a PC or tablet could use it electronically. Also=
, I will need some input about what size most folks would want it to be for p=
rinting and the corrections that need to made. I know about the wiper motor=
, and I'll check about the clock when I get home tonight, are there any more=
problems?
>>>> Perkins
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>>>>> On 12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>>>> Perkins,
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>>>>> I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you should be p=
aid for your time and effort. If you could hang a price tag on the complete=
d item, perhaps we could price it out and have folks receive the PDF file on=
ce they're paid, or maybe there are a handful of us on the list who just wan=
t to kick in enough that you would be comfortable distributing it to all. W=
hat works for you?
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>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Allen
>>>>> ****************************************************************
>>>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>>>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>>>>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>>>>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>>>>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>>>>> ****************************************************************
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>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:
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>>>>>> Rick and Allen:
>>>>>> As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring diagr=
am in Visio and color the wires in as correct a color as Visio will allow. T=
hen output it as a PDF file that anyone could print on either 8.5 by 11 or 1=
1 by 17 paper. We could even use this to fix the problem with the wiper mot=
or wiring that is in the factory shop manual.
>>>>>> Perkins
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>>>>>>> On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>>>>>>> Allen et al.,
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>>>>>>> Regarding (1): I would be happy to scan the wiring diagrams from th=
e shop manual. My scanner is a cheap hp printer, but it could produce a wor=
kable digital image. Then anyone could print and laminate their own from th=
e digital file.=20
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>>>>>>> If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you might wan=
t to use a better scanner though.
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>>>>>>> Let me know if you want a digital scan.
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>>>>>>> --Rick
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>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
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>>>>>>>> In a recent phone conversation with one of our own, two concerns ar=
ose which I promised to address about a week ago. I apologize for the delay=
, but my past week has been memorable for its interruptions. =20
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>>>>>>>> Two questions:
>>>>>>>> 1.) Is there somebody in our noble band who either could or would b=
e interested in making up enlarged wiring diagrams for the Magnette. I know t=
here are at least four of them, and maybe some choices would have to be made=
, but did somebody volunteer that they could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagr=
am copy either laminated or suitable for lamination? If you are not such a p=
erson but have access to equipment that could produce same, for a PRICE of c=
ourse, I can guaranty you sales of two of these from the get-go. I know we d=
iscussed this at some time but cannot recall how we left it.
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>>>>>>>> 2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two ago, and s=
omebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution center (somewhe=
re in Ohio?) from which we might be able to expect a supply of new windscree=
ns. Is there a follow-up story here? There are those of us who either need o=
ne or would buy one as a spare should they become available. Once again, an=
y new information about this would certainly be welcome. I know the nightma=
re Steve Hanegan went through to land a shipment of windscreens and rear Var=
itone glasses here in the US of A. I suspect a good many of those of us of t=
he Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a stash of these bits availa=
ble in North America, but I wouldn't wish this task on Steve again for anyth=
ing. So... can anybody report anything new on this concern?
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>>>>>>>> Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this conversation!
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>>>>>>>> Holiday Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Allen
>>>>>>>> ****************************************************************
>>>>>>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>>>>>>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>>>>>>>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>>>>>>>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>>>>>>>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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agnette .</div><div>Thanks</div><div>Allen. Bradle<br><br>Sent from my iPhon=
e</div><div><br>On Dec 7, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Allen Bachelder <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:bachldrs@comcast.net">bachldrs@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><base href=3D"x-msg://91/">Perkins,<div><br>=
</div><div>One for me also. If I recall correctly, however, there are at lea=
st to variants: one for trafficators and one for flashing turn indicators. T=
here may be yet another variable - making for one or two other variants. ' C=
an't recall for sure. My own preference would be for the flashing indi=
cators, but I'm sure there are others who would differ. Perhaps it is p=
ossible to show both alternatives in the same diagram???</div><div><br></div=
><div>Thanks! </div><div>Allen<br><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Dec 7, 2013, at 7:51 PM, Dan Suter wrote:</div><br class=3D=
"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-s=
tyle-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-=
style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: no=
rmal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent=
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px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing:=
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: au=
to; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor=3D"#ff=
ffff" text=3D"#000000"><div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">John, I would li=
ke to get one as well (and I don't even have a Magnette yet...).</font=
></div><div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font> </div><div><font si=
ze=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Thanks,</font></div><div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Ar=
ial">Dan</font></div><blockquote style=3D"border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); b=
order-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-=
right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style=3D"font: norma=
l normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div s=
tyle=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: init=
ial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-=
clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: in=
itial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class=
=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title=3D"wrench@attglobal.net" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:wrench@attglobal.net";>John Perkins</a></div><div style=3D"font:=
normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-co=
nverted-space"> </span><a title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" href=3D"ma=
ilto:zmagnette@autox.team.net">List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=
</a></div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>S=
ent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, Decembe=
r 07, 2013 10:16 AM</div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/norma=
l arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span=
>Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens</div><div><br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Wow, I didn't think there would be this much respons=
e. LannM sent me a copy of a Visio diagram he did for his MGB, so I ca=
n reuse a lot of his icons. I'll have to go through my archives to fin=
d the problem with the wiper motor wiring - didn't Mike Ash put that in one o=
f his MGA! columns? I make sure the clock is in as well. I'll bu=
ild the diagram for 11 x 17 paper since that's a standard size that all copy=
stores will have. I should have a draft version of it by the end of n=
ext week ready for technical evaluation before we distribute it out.<br>&nbs=
p; Perkins<br><br>On 12/6/2013 10:09 PM, Mike Coe wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote cite=3D"mid:A7EA5558B35C48A9B52635EB2AB0E47F@OwnerHP" type=3D"=
cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0)=
; font-size: 10pt; "><div> </div><div> </div><div>Me two. Although=
I have a brand new wiring loom to =E2=80=98eventually=E2=80=99 into on my M=
agnette.</div><div>Cheers.</div><div>Mike Coe =E2=80=93 Calgary</div><div>&n=
bsp;</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </di=
v><div> </div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; display: inline; font-f=
amily: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: small; font-weight: normal; t=
ext-decoration: none; "><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal=
tahoma; "><div> </div><div style=3D"background-image: initial; backgro=
und-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initia=
l; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initia=
l; background-repeat: initial initial; "><div><b>From:</b><span class=3D"App=
le-converted-space"> </span><a title=3D"bachldrs@comcast.net" href=3D"m=
ailto:bachldrs@comcast.net" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">Allen Bachelder</a></di=
v><div><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday=
, December 06, 2013 5:39 PM</div><div><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-convert=
ed-space"> </span><a title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:=
zmagnette@autox.team.net" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">List for the Z Magnette G=
roup - North America</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-conve=
rted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens</di=
v></div></div><div> </div></div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; displ=
ay: inline; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: small; fon=
t-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; ">Perkins,<div> </div><div>I c=
an only respond for myself. For $2, it's a no-brainer. I can't imagine=
where I'd draw the line, but it's a no-brainer for a lot more than $2. As l=
ong as it doesn't turn into 1" squares when blown up to 11 X 17, I'm happy t=
o pay $2. ' Hope you would accept Paypal. That would mean I could orde=
r and pay for it electronically, you could send it to me electronically, I c=
ould email it to Fedex/Kinkos or UPS. The only real thing I have do is=
drive down and pick it up. Just let me know when the store opens.&nbs=
p; And this comes from a member who has already wired his Magnette...<=
/div><div> </div><div>Holiday Cheers,</div><div>Allen</div><div><div><s=
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v>On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:24 PM, John Perkins wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-in=
terchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D=
"#000000"><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Allen:<br> The lo=
ngest time for me to build the wiring diagram in Visio is the time to build t=
he icons for the various components to look as much like the original diagra=
m as possible. Would $2.00 a copy for PDFs be too much? That way=
people who want to print it can take the PDF to their nearest Kinko's and t=
hose who like to use a PC or tablet could use it electronically. Also,=
I will need some input about what size most folks would want it to be for p=
rinting and the corrections that need to made. I know about the wiper m=
otor, and I'll check about the clock when I get home tonight, are there any m=
ore problems?<br> Perkins<br> <span class=
=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>On 12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bach=
elder wrote:<br></div><blockquote cite=3D"mid:9886F47B-FB61-4DE8-9F69-1C5834=
7A50F0@comcast.net" type=3D"cite">Perkins,<div> </div><div>I think your=
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nd effort. If you could hang a price tag on the completed item, perhap=
s we could price it out and have folks receive the PDF file once they're pai=
d, or maybe there are a handful of us on the list who just want to kick in e=
nough that you would be comfortable distributing it to all. What works=
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v></span></span></div></span></span></div><div> </div><div><div>On Dec 6=
, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange=
-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000=
"><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Rick and Allen:<br> As I'=
m sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring diagram in Visio and c=
olor the wires in as correct a color as Visio will allow. Then output i=
t as a PDF file that anyone could print on either 8.5 by 11 or 11 by 17 pape=
r. We could even use this to fix the problem with the wiper motor wiri=
ng that is in the factory shop manual.<br> Perkins<br><br>=
On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:<br></div><blockquote cite=3D=
"mid:9F7BE024-72B1-496F-85BD-38F5D0EEE581@lpl.arizona.edu" type=3D"cite"><di=
v>Allen et al.,</div><div> </div><div>Regarding (1): I would be h=
appy to scan the wiring diagrams from the shop manual. My scanner is a=
cheap hp printer, but it could produce a workable digital image. Then=
anyone could print and laminate their own from the digital file. </div=
><div> </div><div>If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing=
, you might want to use a better scanner though.</div><div> </div><div>=
Let me know if you want a digital scan.</div><div> </div><div>--Rick</d=
iv><div> </div><div><div>On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder w=
rote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line=
-break: after-white-space; ">In a recent phone conversation with one of our o=
wn, two concerns arose which I promised to address about a week ago. I=
apologize for the delay, but my past week has been memorable for its interr=
uptions. <div> </div><div>Two questions:</div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"webkit-indent-blockquote" style=3D"border-bottom-width: medium; borde=
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m; border-left-style: none; border-left-color: initial; padding-bottom: 0px;=
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tyle: none; border-top-color: initial; border-right-width: medium; border-ri=
ght-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; "><div>1.)&n=
bsp; Is there somebody in our noble band who either could or would be intere=
sted in making up enlarged wiring diagrams for the Magnette. I know there ar=
e at least four of them, and maybe some choices would have to be made, but d=
id somebody volunteer that they could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy=
either laminated or suitable for lamination? If you are not such a person b=
ut have access to equipment that could produce same, for a PRICE of course, I=
can guaranty you sales of two of these from the get-go. I know we dis=
cussed this at some time but cannot recall how we left it.</div><div> <=
/div><div>2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two ago, and s=
omebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution center (somewhe=
re in Ohio?) from which we might be able to expect a supply of new windscree=
ns. Is there a follow-up story here? There are those of us who either n=
eed one or would buy one as a spare should they become available. Once=
again, any new information about this would certainly be welcome. I k=
now the nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to land a shipment of windscree=
ns and rear Varitone glasses here in the US of A. I suspect a good man=
y of those of us of the Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a stash=
of these bits available in North America, but I wouldn't wish this task on S=
teve again for anything. So... can anybody report anything new on this=
concern?</div><div> </div></blockquote>Many thanks to anybody who can c=
ontribute to this conversation!<div> </div><div>Holiday Cheers,</div><d=
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