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RE: P type springs

To: "'Robert Grunau'" <cgrunau@pathcom.com>, "'MG-MMM'" <mg-mmm@autox.team.net>, "'tom metcalf'" <mgtom@bright.net>
Subject: RE: P type springs
From: "Lew Palmer" <lpalmer@mn.mediaone.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:17:47 -0600
Cc: "'Andrew Fock'" <awfock@optushome.com.au>
In-reply-to: <MABBKBANMFLCOFIAGJNOIEHJCKAA.cgrunau@pathcom.com>
Reply-to: "Lew Palmer" <lpalmer@mn.mediaone.net>
Sender: owner-mg-mmm@autox.team.net
Bob,

For those of us embarking on that journey, perhaps you could share some
details:

1) What thickness of Teflon was used in the eye?
2) What thickness of Teflon was used (or should be used) between the
leaves?
3) Do you have a source for the Teflon that you could pass on?

Regards,
Lew Palmer

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-mg-mmm@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-mg-mmm@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Robert Grunau
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:57 PM
To: MG-MMM; tom metcalf
Cc: Andrew Fock
Subject: RE: P type springs

Thirty years ago I bought new front springs for my TC. The front eyes
were
very poorly made and too large so the pins flopped around. I installed a
thin roll of teflon inside the eye and this took up the slack. I thought
a
bronze bushing would be too thin and break.  I am now re-restoring the
car
 paint all cracked before ) and when I removed the front spring pins the
teflon was still intact and in reasonable shape after 39,000 miles.
Spring
pins were a bit worn as well. So I have replaced the teflon and fitted
new
spring pins and hope to be OK for another 30 years and 39,000 miles  (
which
should see me through!! ).
Regards, Bob Grunau

---Original Message-----
From: owner-mg-mmm@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-mg-mmm@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of tom metcalf
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:39 PM
To: TATERRY@aol.com; mg-mmm@autox.team.net
Cc: Andrew Fock
Subject: Re: P type springs

> 1. The pins for the front of the springs are new, however the eyes are
worn
> (to varying degrees). as the eyes were probably never true, how good a
fit
> should they be? Do people get the eyes relieved and put in bushes?

They need to be a nice snug fit or you will wear out a nice new pair of
pins
quickly. I really like all 4 springs to be new as it really makes for a
nice
firm ride. However, if you like the originals I would have the eys
bushed.
I've seen this done and it works. Keep in mind, though, that it might
not be
a real kool fit up as the eye is a sprung loop rather than a solid chunk
of
metal being bored out. It may give a bit.



> 2. The fellow who did the chassis put in brass trunnions. Anyone have
> experience of this. (I was planning to put in phosphor bronze, but if
the
> opinion is that they are Ok then I will keep them).

Bronze is certainly preferred for bushings but the brass should last for
a
while. I looked up the alloy breakdown comparing brass and bronze last
week
(for the same reason) and there really isn't that much difference.
Professional bushing people may differ!


> 3. As there is no shoulder on the pin of the rear springs, how does
one do
up
> the nut as there is nothing to tighten it up to without clamping the
spring?

There is a hardened  spacer INSIDE the spring and against the big
shoulder
on the pin. It is shaped like a smaller version of the front spindle
spacer
inside the inner bearing. Outside the spring is another heavy spacer,
like a
1/4" washer, hardened.


>
> Thanks
>
>
> Andrew
>
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