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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:25:32 -0400
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I am definitely not an expert however I have successfully repaired some
irreplaceable cast Iron water pump impellers using this product.
https://www.silfos.com/EN/Products/EASY-FLO-45.htm
I opted to use this because a very much lower temperature is required.

M

On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 10:12=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>=
 wrote:

> MIG/TIG isn't usually effective on cast iron. Brazing might be your best
> bet, and plenty strong. I brazed a mis-sized plug on a so-called 'uprated=
'
> water pump for my BN2 that wouldn't otherwise seal up and the result was
> good, but I feared I'd damaged the seal. Clean best you can and use a goo=
d
> flux.
>
> https://www.reliance-foundry.com/blog/how-to-weld-cast-iron
>
>
>
>
> On 3/15/2024 8:05 AM, warthodson--- via Healeys wrote:
>
> Congratulations on finding the leak. I would not have much confidence in
> any epoxy. The area would need to be impeccably clean including inside th=
e
> actual crack & the block gets very hot. I wonder if it might be a candida=
te
> for an expert MIG/TIG welder?
> Gary Hodson
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 11:00:46 PM CDT, Wayne Schultz via Healeys
> <healeys@autox.team.net> <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, it was!
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 10:16=E2=80=AFPM Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>=
 wrote:
>
> Wayne - you are a star !
> I got lucky and think that I have found it.
> Started by removing the center tappet side cover.
> Just like your experience - mine is below the center cover mounting boss;
> there is a ridge there just above the distributor drive.
> Was this where the one you worked on was ?
> Actually looks someone tried to repair it before. Have no idea what they
> used, but is a soft white putty like substance and the oozing got worse
> when I removed it. Had the coolant under pressure.
> So now have to clean up and think about a repair technique.
> Thank you for responding .
> rg
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Roger Grace* <roggrace@telus.net>
> Date: Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 8:15=E2=80=AFAM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
> To: Wayne Schultz <waschu2@gmail.com>
> Cc: <healeys@autox.team.net>
>
>
> Wayne,
> Thank you. That sounds very similar to my situation. Not quite sure that =
I
> understand what you mean by the boss that goes down to the sump ? Is this
> the oil return path - interesting. Yes, my plan is to get the pan off and
> pressurize the coolant with some dye in it and hopefully locate it.
> So your repair was done with the tappet side covers off ? Maybe that is a
> block weakness and I get lucky with a similar fault.
> rg
>
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> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 9:14=E2=80=AFPM Wayne Schultz <waschu2@gmail.com>=
 wrote:
>
> Hi Roger,
> My friend who had a  Healey 3000 had  a similar issue. We would
> find coolant in the oil on the dipstick and filler cap. I found when we
> pressurized the cooling system with the engine warm, no leak noted, with
> the engine cold a slight coolant leak in pressure. I decided to drop the
> oil pan to look for leaks and found a very slight leak internally drippin=
g
> into the oil pan area. We found that the leak was from the boss in betwee=
n
> the 6 and 7 tappets.  With that  tappet cover off we could see coolant
> drips forming in that boss running down into the pan area. It would only
> leak when cold. Porosity? I think so. I decided to Peen  the boss with a
> punch and seal with JB Weld. It has been good ever since. I suggest
> dropping your oil pan to look for leaks might be the least invasive first
> step in locating your problem.    Good luck.
>
>                Wayne
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:small">I am definitely not an expert however I have succ=
essfully repaired some irreplaceable cast Iron water pump impellers using t=
his product.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,s=
ans-serif;font-size:small"><a href=3D"https://www.silfos.com/EN/Products/EA=
SY-FLO-45.htm">https://www.silfos.com/EN/Products/EASY-FLO-45.htm</a></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:small">I opted to use this because a very much lower temperature is requi=
red.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-seri=
f;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 10=
:12=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspi=
dell@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><u></u>

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  <div>
    MIG/TIG isn&#39;t usually effective on cast iron. Brazing might be your
    best bet, and plenty strong. I brazed a mis-sized plug on a
    so-called &#39;uprated&#39; water pump for my BN2 that wouldn&#39;t oth=
erwise
    seal up and the result was good, but I feared I&#39;d damaged the seal.
    Clean best you can and use a good flux.<br>
    <br>
    <a href=3D"https://www.reliance-foundry.com/blog/how-to-weld-cast-iron"=
 target=3D"_blank">https://www.reliance-foundry.com/blog/how-to-weld-cast-i=
ron</a><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 3/15/2024 8:05 AM, warthodson--- via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div style=3D"font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif;font-size:16px">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Congratulations on finding
          the leak. I would not have much confidence in any epoxy. The
          area would need to be impeccably clean including inside the
          actual crack &amp; the block gets very hot. I wonder if it
          might be a candidate for an expert MIG/TIG welder?</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Gary Hodson=C2=A0</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div id=3D"m_8760898680477669716ydpbb1b946fyahoo_quoted_1378980925">
        <div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Aria=
l,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
          <div> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 11:00:46 PM CDT, Wayne
            Schultz via Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a> wrote: </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div id=3D"m_8760898680477669716ydpbb1b946fyiv3499248027">
              <div>
                <div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, it was!=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                </div>
                <br clear=3D"none">
                <div id=3D"m_8760898680477669716ydpbb1b946fyiv3499248027yqt=
57983">
                  <div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu,
                      Mar 14, 2024 at 10:16=E2=80=AFPM Roger Grace &lt;<a s=
hape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noopener=
" target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
                    </div>
                    <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                      <div dir=3D"ltr">
                        <div>Wayne - you are a star !</div>
                        <div>I got lucky and think that I have found it.</d=
iv>
                        <div>Started by removing the center tappet side
                          cover.</div>
                        <div>Just like your experience - mine is below
                          the center cover mounting boss; there is a
                          ridge there just above the distributor drive.</di=
v>
                        <div>Was this where the one you worked on was ?<br =
clear=3D"none">
                        </div>
                        <div>Actually looks someone tried to repair it
                          before. Have no idea what they used, but is a
                          soft white putty like substance and the oozing
                          got worse when I removed it. Had the coolant
                          under pressure.</div>
                        <div>So now have to clean up and think about a
                          repair technique.</div>
                        <div>Thank you for responding .</div>
                        <div>rg<br clear=3D"none">
                        </div>
                        <div><br clear=3D"none">
                        </div>
                        <div><br clear=3D"none">
                        </div>
                        <div><br clear=3D"none">
                          <div>
                            <div dir=3D"ltr">----------
                              Forwarded message ---------<br clear=3D"none"=
>
                              From: <b>Roger Grace</b> <span>&lt;<a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noopener" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>&gt;</span><br clear=3D"none">
                              Date: Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 8:15=E2=80=AFAM<br=
 clear=3D"none">
                              Subject: Re: [Healeys] Glycol in oil<br clear=
=3D"none">
                              To: Wayne Schultz &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:waschu2@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noopener" target=3D"_blank"=
>waschu2@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                              Cc: &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:heal=
eys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener" target=3D"_blank">healeys@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                            </div>
                            <br clear=3D"none">
                            <br clear=3D"none">
                            <div dir=3D"ltr">
                              <div>Wayne,</div>
                              <div>Thank you. That sounds very similar
                                to my situation. Not quite sure that I
                                understand what you mean by the boss
                                that goes down to the sump ? Is this the
                                oil return path - interesting. Yes, my
                                plan is to get the pan off and
                                pressurize the coolant with some dye in
                                it and hopefully locate it.=C2=A0</div>
                              <div>So your repair was done with the
                                tappet side covers off ? Maybe that is a
                                block weakness and I get lucky with a
                                similar fault.</div>
                              <div>rg<br clear=3D"none">
                              </div>
                            </div>
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                              <div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at
                                9:14=E2=80=AFPM Wayne Schultz &lt;<a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:waschu2@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noopener" tar=
get=3D"_blank">waschu2@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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                              <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Roger,
                                  <div>My friend who had=C2=A0a=C2=A0 Heale=
y 3000
                                    had=C2=A0 a similar issue. We would
                                    find=C2=A0coolant=C2=A0in the oil on th=
e
                                    dipstick and filler cap. I found
                                    when we pressurized the cooling
                                    system with the engine warm, no leak
                                    noted, with the engine cold a slight
                                    coolant leak in pressure. I decided
                                    to drop the oil pan to look for
                                    leaks and found a very slight leak
                                    internally dripping into the oil pan
                                    area. We found that the leak was
                                    from the boss in between the 6 and 7
                                    tappets.=C2=A0 With that=C2=A0 tappet c=
over
                                    off we could see coolant drips
                                    forming in that boss running down
                                    into the pan area. It would only
                                    leak when cold. Porosity? I think
                                    so. I decided to Peen=C2=A0 the boss wi=
th
                                    a punch and seal with JB Weld. It
                                    has been good ever since. I suggest
                                    dropping=C2=A0your oil pan to look for
                                    leaks might be the least invasive
                                    first step in locating your
                                    problem.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Good luck.=C2=A0<=
/div>
                                  <div><br clear=3D"none">
                                  </div>
                                  <div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Wayne</div>
                                </div>
                                <br>
                              </blockquote>
                            </div>
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