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MIG/TIG isn't usually effective on cast iron. Brazing might be your best 
bet, and plenty strong. I brazed a mis-sized plug on a so-called 
'uprated' water pump for my BN2 that wouldn't otherwise seal up and the 
result was good, but I feared I'd damaged the seal. Clean best you can 
and use a good flux.

https://www.reliance-foundry.com/blog/how-to-weld-cast-iron




On 3/15/2024 8:05 AM, warthodson--- via Healeys wrote:
> Congratulations on finding the leak. I would not have much confidence 
> in any epoxy. The area would need to be impeccably clean including 
> inside the actual crack & the block gets very hot. I wonder if it 
> might be a candidate for an expert MIG/TIG welder?
> Gary Hodson
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 11:00:46 PM CDT, Wayne Schultz via 
> Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, it was!
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 10:16â?¯PM Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:
>
>     Wayne - you are a star !
>     I got lucky and think that I have found it.
>     Started by removing the center tappet side cover.
>     Just like your experience - mine is below the center cover
>     mounting boss; there is a ridge there just above the distributor
>     drive.
>     Was this where the one you worked on was ?
>     Actually looks someone tried to repair it before. Have no idea
>     what they used, but is a soft white putty like substance and the
>     oozing got worse when I removed it. Had the coolant under pressure.
>     So now have to clean up and think about a repair technique.
>     Thank you for responding .
>     rg
>
>
>
>     ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>     From: *Roger Grace* <roggrace@telus.net>
>     Date: Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 8:15â?¯AM
>     Subject: Re: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
>     To: Wayne Schultz <waschu2@gmail.com>
>     Cc: <healeys@autox.team.net>
>
>
>     Wayne,
>     Thank you. That sounds very similar to my situation. Not quite
>     sure that I understand what you mean by the boss that goes down to
>     the sump ? Is this the oil return path - interesting. Yes, my plan
>     is to get the pan off and pressurize the coolant with some dye in
>     it and hopefully locate it.
>     So your repair was done with the tappet side covers off ? Maybe
>     that is a block weakness and I get lucky with a similar fault.
>     rg
>
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>     On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 9:14â?¯PM Wayne Schultz <waschu2@gmail.com>
>     wrote:
>
>         Hi Roger,
>         My friend who had a  Healey 3000 had  a similar issue. We
>         would find coolant in the oil on the dipstick and filler cap.
>         I found when we pressurized the cooling system with the engine
>         warm, no leak noted, with the engine cold a slight coolant
>         leak in pressure. I decided to drop the oil pan to look for
>         leaks and found a very slight leak internally dripping into
>         the oil pan area. We found that the leak was from the boss in
>         between the 6 and 7 tappets.  With that  tappet cover off we
>         could see coolant drips forming in that boss running down into
>         the pan area. It would only leak when cold. Porosity? I think
>         so. I decided to Peen  the boss with a punch and seal with JB
>         Weld. It has been good ever since. I suggest dropping your oil
>         pan to look for leaks might be the least invasive first step
>         in locating your problem.    Good luck.
>
>                        Wayne
>
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    MIG/TIG isn't usually effective on cast iron. Brazing might be your
    best bet, and plenty strong. I brazed a mis-sized plug on a
    so-called 'uprated' water pump for my BN2 that wouldn't otherwise
    seal up and the result was good, but I feared I'd damaged the seal.
    Clean best you can and use a good flux.<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="https://www.reliance-foundry.com/blog/how-to-weld-cast-iron";>https://www.reliance-foundry.com/blog/how-to-weld-cast-iron</a><br>
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    <br>
    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/15/2024 8:05 AM, warthodson--- via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Congratulations on finding
          the leak. I would not have much confidence in any epoxy. The
          area would need to be impeccably clean including inside the
          actual crack &amp; the block gets very hot. I wonder if it
          might be a candidate for an expert MIG/TIG welder?</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Gary Hodson </div>
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          <div> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 11:00:46 PM CDT, Wayne
            Schultz via Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a> wrote: 
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                <div dir="ltr">Yes, it was! <br clear="none">
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                      Mar 14, 2024 at 10:16â?¯PM Roger Grace &lt;<a
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                        <div>Wayne - you are a star !</div>
                        <div>I got lucky and think that I have found it.</div>
                        <div>Started by removing the center tappet side
                          cover.</div>
                        <div>Just like your experience - mine is below
                          the center cover mounting boss; there is a
                          ridge there just above the distributor drive.</div>
                        <div>Was this where the one you worked on was ?<br
                            clear="none">
                        </div>
                        <div>Actually looks someone tried to repair it
                          before. Have no idea what they used, but is a
                          soft white putty like substance and the oozing
                          got worse when I removed it. Had the coolant
                          under pressure.</div>
                        <div>So now have to clean up and think about a
                          repair technique.</div>
                        <div>Thank you for responding .</div>
                        <div>rg<br clear="none">
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                              Date: Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 8:15â?¯AM<br
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                              Subject: Re: [Healeys] Glycol in oil<br
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                              To: Wayne Schultz &lt;<a shape="rect"
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                              <div>Wayne,</div>
                              <div>Thank you. That sounds very similar
                                to my situation. Not quite sure that I
                                understand what you mean by the boss
                                that goes down to the sump ? Is this the
                                oil return path - interesting. Yes, my
                                plan is to get the pan off and
                                pressurize the coolant with some dye in
                                it and hopefully locate it. </div>
                              <div>So your repair was done with the
                                tappet side covers off ? Maybe that is a
                                block weakness and I get lucky with a
                                similar fault.</div>
                              <div>rg<br clear="none">
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                                <div dir="ltr">Hi Roger,
                                  <div>My friend who had a  Healey 3000
                                    had  a similar issue. We would
                                    find coolant in the oil on the
                                    dipstick and filler cap. I found
                                    when we pressurized the cooling
                                    system with the engine warm, no leak
                                    noted, with the engine cold a slight
                                    coolant leak in pressure. I decided
                                    to drop the oil pan to look for
                                    leaks and found a very slight leak
                                    internally dripping into the oil pan
                                    area. We found that the leak was
                                    from the boss in between the 6 and 7
                                    tappets.  With that  tappet cover
                                    off we could see coolant drips
                                    forming in that boss running down
                                    into the pan area. It would only
                                    leak when cold. Porosity? I think
                                    so. I decided to Peen  the boss with
                                    a punch and seal with JB Weld. It
                                    has been good ever since. I suggest
                                    dropping your oil pan to look for
                                    leaks might be the least invasive
                                    first step in locating your
                                    problem.    Good luck. </div>
                                  <div><br clear="none">
                                  </div>
                                  <div>               Wayne</div>
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