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Re: [TR] TR3 O/D Solenoid plate

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Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 O/D Solenoid plate
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 21:40:59 -0400
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it's a ~20 amp to engage, then when the core bottoms out it switches to 
a 5-8 amp holding coil to keep it in place.

ptegler

On 7/17/2021 9:24 PM, Art McEwen wrote:
> Thereâ??s nothing wrong with the solenoid.  It operates just fine.
>
> I removed and replaced the solenoid plate to deal with a leak and now 
> the solenoid doesnâ??t engage the o/d anymore while the car is running 
> on jacks.   I was hoping to avoid a half assembled road test.
>
>> On Jul 17, 2021, at 9:18 PM, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> A pressure test with a gauge from Jay Holekamp is a great idea. While 
>> your waiting for its arrival, loosen the clamping bolt and take the 
>> car for a ride. Reach across the transmission and operate the lever 
>> manually (the one you put the 3/16â?? drill into when you adjust the 
>> solenoid). If the overdrive kicks in, you have a solenoid or solenoid 
>> adjustment problem. The overdrives O.K. Better still have a passenger 
>> operate the lever, so that you can concentrate on your driving. And 
>> watch out for that spinning prop shaft. Loose clothing not allowed.
>> By the way, if you have a functioning ammeter and the solenoid is 
>> connected on its load side, you can observe the operation of the 
>> solenoid on the meter.
>> Ed Woods
>>> On 07/17/2021 3:35 PM Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Before you do anything else, do a load test on the battery. Even if 
>>> it is producing 12 volts it may not be producing the 20 amps needed 
>>> to engage the OD.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf 
>>> Of *Art McEwen
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2021 11:24 AM
>>> *To:* DAVID MASSEY
>>> *Cc:* triumphs@autox.team.net
>>> *Subject:* Re: [TR] TR3 O/D Solenoid plate
>>>
>>> Nothing went sproing when I took the plate off and I think Iâ??ve got 
>>> the leak sealed but no amount of solenoid adjustment will engage the 
>>> overdrive.  :(. The springs werenâ??t removed and I presume theyâ??re 
>>> still seated where they were.
>>>
>>> Iâ??m wondering if some of the sludge in the bottom of the case that I 
>>> tried to remove got relocated to a valve body somewhere.  Thinking 
>>> of taking it for a road test then changing fluid again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2021, at 1:54 PM, Art McEwen <artwmcewen@gmail.com 
>>>
>>>     Thanks!
>>>
>>>     Art
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 11:25 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com
>>>
>>>         Nothing will go sproing but you will likely loose your
>>>         solenoid adjustment.  Not a big deal as adjusting is pretty
>>>         simple.
>>>
>>>         Dave
>>>
>>>         -----Original Message-----
>>>         From: Art McEwen <artwmcewen@gmail.com
>>>         Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2021 9:48 am
>>>         Subject: [TR] TR3 O/D Solenoid plate
>>>
>>>         It's weeping oil (even more than "acceptable"), can I loosen
>>>         the 4 screws to add gasket goop without misaligning the
>>>         plunger/spring thingy behind it or is it safe to remove
>>>         entirely while in place without something going "sprong"?
>>>
>>>         Thanks,
>>>
>>>         Art
>>>
>>>         TS64???LO
>>>
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    <p>it's a ~20 amp to engage, then when the core bottoms out it
      switches to a 5-8 amp holding coil to keep it in place.</p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/17/2021 9:24 PM, Art McEwen wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:5BE5F607-B0A3-4475-B43F-E646A6648349@gmail.com">
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      <div dir="ltr">Thereâ??s nothing wrong with the solenoid.  It
        operates just fine.</div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="ltr">I removed and replaced the solenoid plate to deal
        with a leak and now the solenoid doesnâ??t engage the o/d anymore
        while the car is running on jacks.   I was hoping to avoid a
        half assembled road test.</div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
        <blockquote type="cite">On Jul 17, 2021, at 9:18 PM, EDWARD
          WOODS <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:fogbro1@comcast.net";>&lt;fogbro1@comcast.net&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
          <br>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div dir="ltr">
          <meta charset="UTF-8">
          <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
            helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"> <span
              style="font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">A
              pressure test with a gauge from Jay Holekamp is a great
              idea. While your waiting for its arrival, loosen the
              clamping bolt and take the car for a ride. Reach across
              the transmission and operate the lever manually (the one
              you put the 3/16â?? drill into when you adjust the
              solenoid). If the overdrive kicks in, you have a solenoid
              or solenoid adjustment problem. The overdrives O.K. Better
              still have a passenger operate the lever, so that you can
              concentrate on your driving. And watch out for that
              spinning prop shaft. Loose clothing not allowed.</span> </div>
          <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
            helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">   </div>
          <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
            helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"> <span
              style="font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">By the
              way, if you have a functioning ammeter and the solenoid is
              connected on its load side, you can observe the operation
              of the solenoid on the meter.  </span> </div>
          <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
            helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">   </div>
          <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
            helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"> <span
              style="font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Ed Woods</span>
          </div>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <div> On 07/17/2021 3:35 PM Kinderlehrer
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:kinderlehrer@comcast.net";>&lt;kinderlehrer@comcast.net&gt;</a> 
wrote: </div>
            <div>   </div>
            <div>   </div>
            <div class="WordSection1">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                  font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Before
                  you do anything else, do a load test on the battery.
                  Even if it is producing 12 volts it may not be
                  producing the 20 amps needed to engage the OD. </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                  font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: 
#1f497d;">Bob</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                  font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: 
#1f497d;"> </span></p>
              <div>
                <div style="border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF
                  1.0pt; padding: 30pt 0in 0in 0in;">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:
                        10.0pt; font-family: 
'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span
                      style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:
                      'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Triumphs
                      [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
 <strong>On
                        Behalf Of </strong>Art McEwen<br>
                      <strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday, July 17, 2021
                      11:24 AM<br>
                      <strong>To:</strong> DAVID MASSEY<br>
                      <strong>Cc:</strong> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>
                      <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] TR3 O/D
                      Solenoid plate</span></p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Nothing went sproing when I took
                  the plate off and I think Iâ??ve got the leak sealed but
                  no amount of solenoid adjustment will engage the
                  overdrive.  :(. The springs werenâ??t removed and I
                  presume theyâ??re still seated where they were.</p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Iâ??m wondering if some of the sludge
                  in the bottom of the case that I tried to remove got
                  relocated to a valve body somewhere.  Thinking of
                  taking it for a road test then changing fluid again.</p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                  <br>
                </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">On
                  Jul 15, 2021, at 1:54 PM, Art McEwen &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:artwmcewen@gmail.com";
                    moz-do-not-send="true">artwmcewen@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                  wrote:</p>
              </div>
              <blockquote>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 
12.0pt;">Thanks!</p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Art</p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 11:25
                        AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";
                          moz-do-not-send="true">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt;
                        wrote:</p>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                              'Arial','sans-serif'; color: black;">Nothing
                              will go sproing but you will likely loose
                              your solenoid adjustment.  Not a big deal
                              as adjusting is pretty simple.</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                              'Arial','sans-serif'; color: black;"> </span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
                            12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;
                              font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color:
                              black;">Dave </span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                              'Arial','sans-serif'; color: black;"> </span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
                              'Arial','sans-serif'; color: black;"> </span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
                            12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;
                              font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color:
                              black;">-----Original Message-----<br>
                              From: Art McEwen &lt;<a
                                href="mailto:artwmcewen@gmail.com";
                                target="_blank" rel="noopener"
                                
moz-do-not-send="true">artwmcewen@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                              To: <a
                                href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";
                                target="_blank" rel="noopener"
                                
moz-do-not-send="true">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>
                              Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2021 9:48 am<br>
                              Subject: [TR] TR3 O/D Solenoid plate</span></p>
                          <div id="m_-568949139145977063yiv2214504240">
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                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size: 10.0pt;
                                    font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';
                                    color: black;">It's weeping oil
                                    (even more than "acceptable"), can I
                                    loosen the 4 screws to add gasket
                                    goop without misaligning the
                                    plunger/spring thingy behind it or
                                    is it safe to remove entirely while
                                    in place without something going
                                    "sprong"?</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size: 10.0pt;
                                    font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';
                                    color: black;"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size: 10.0pt;
                                    font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';
                                    color: black;">Thanks,</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size: 10.0pt;
                                    font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';
                                    color: black;"> </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size: 10.0pt;
                                    font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';
                                    color: black;">Art </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                    color: black;">TS64???LO </span></p>
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