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While at the same time, the stock TR4 distributor cap does not work well wi=
th "carbon core" wires=2E
-- Randall
On 13 June 2019 07:11:44 GMT-06:00, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv@roadrunner=2E=
com> wrote:
>What type plug wires are you using? Some Pertronic units will not work
>well with solid copper wires and only work using resistor type wires=2E
>
>From: Andrew Uprichard=20
>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:57 AM
>To: 'Keith Richard Stewart' ; triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet=20
>Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
>
>Hey, Keith:
>
>=20
>
>I think we are still in =E2=80=9Cinformation gathering mode=E2=80=9D J
>
>=20
>
>You say =E2=80=9Cthere were only 3 cylinders getting spark=E2=80=9D, but =
then =E2=80=9CI also
>had spark on #2, #3, and #4=E2=80=9D, so it sounds like you do have a spa=
rk at
>all 4 plugs? One thing you do not mention is the state of the plugs:=20
>are they wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?
>
>=20
>
>Have you done a compression test?
>
>=20
>
>My experience with Pertronix is when they fail there is no spark, but
>maybe someone else will chime in on whether a failure could still have
>a spark, albeit insufficient to get the car to run=2E
>
>=20
>
>Andrew Uprichard
>
>Jackson, Michigan
>
>=20
>
>From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet] On Behalf Of
>Keith Richard Stewart
>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM
>To: triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet
>Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
>
>=20
>
>When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the
>second turn of the key=2E I drove home fine, no problems=2E I cleaned up
>the car for a show last weekend=2E When I went to start, it was hard
>starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before stalling=2E
>The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of =E2=80=9Coomph=E2=80=
=9D=2E The rough
>running was like it was on two cylinders or less=2E After several more
>attempts to get it started, including some starting fluid spray, I put
>the battery charger on to make sure the battery was charged fully=2E I
>attempted a start with the charger on the =E2=80=9Cstart=E2=80=9D setting=
with no luck=2E
>While looking over the engine compartment for a loose wire or bad
>connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the filter adapter=2E
>The location was such that it appeared the seeping was between the oil
>filter head and the adapter=2E
>
>=20
>
>Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would
>take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter
>and the filter head=2E I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a
>new filter and filled with oil=2E It did seem there was a bit of fuel
>odor from the oil=2E I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I
>will check that later=2E The fuel pump was one of TRF=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9C=
Made in Italy=E2=80=9D
>pumps=2E The additional start attempts since then have not produced any
>oil seeping out=2E
>
>=20
>
>Back to the start problem=2E The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A=2E I
>removed the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an
>attempted start=2E The ignition is a Pertronix=2E When I removed the roto=
r,
>it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red
>rotor, so I tried both with no luck=2E To make sure the battery was
>getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I
>had=2E No luck=2E I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housin=
g
>bolt and tried a start=2E I had a spark right away and almost immediately
>the car started up=2E Ran roughly =E2=80=93 there were only three cylinde=
rs
>getting spark=2E
>
>=20
>
>I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start=2E No
>luck=2E Very baffling=2E I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4=2E With #2
>removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed=2E Once the plug is
>back in, the car will not start=2E Voltage at rest is 12=2E75v (have not
>charged it again after several start attempts over the past few days)
>and drops to 11v during starter engagement=2E
>
>=20
>
>I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well=2E No luck=2E Connections
>from the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and
>secure=2E
>
>=20
>
>All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure=2E Battery
>connections are clean and secure=2E Battery putting out 12-14v=2E
>Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and
>secure=2E
>
>=20
>
>I think that is everything I have tried to date=2E Any suggestions are
>most welcome=2E
>
>=20
>
>=20
>
>Keith Stewart
>
>keithstewart@bell=2Enet
>
>=20
>
>
>
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at the same time, the stock TR4 distributor cap does not work well with "ca=
rbon core" wires=2E<br>-- Randall<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 13 J=
une 2019 07:11:44 GMT-06:00, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv@roadrunner=2Ecom&g=
t; wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
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<div>What type plug wires are you using? Some Pertronic units will not wor=
k well=20
with solid copper wires and only work using resistor type wires=2E</div>
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<div style=3D"font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"auprichard@upric=
hard=2Enet">Andrew Uprichard</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:57 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"keithstewart@bell=2Enet">'Keith Richard Stewar=
t'</a> ; <a title=3D"triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet">triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2En=
et</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start</div></div></div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman&q=
uot;,"serif"">Hey,=20
Keith:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman&q=
uot;,"serif""><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman&q=
uot;,"serif"">I think=20
we are still in =E2=80=9Cinformation gathering mode=E2=80=9D </span><span =
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: wingdings">J</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "=
Times New Roman","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman&q=
uot;,"serif""><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman&q=
uot;,"serif"">You say=20
=E2=80=9Cthere were only 3 cylinders getting spark=E2=80=9D, but then =E2=
=80=9C</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I=20
also had spark on #2, #3, and #4=E2=80=9D, so it sounds like you do have a=
spark at all=20
4 plugs? One thing you do not mention is the state of the plugs:&nbs=
p; are=20
they wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Have you done a compression=20
test?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">My experience with Pertronix i=
s when they=20
fail there is no spark, but maybe someone else will chime in on whether a=
=20
failure could still have a spark, albeit insufficient to get the car to=20
run=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Jackson, Michigan</span><span =
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif""><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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phs=20
[mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Ric=
hard=20
Stewart<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM<br><b>To:</b>=20
triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR4 Won't=20
Start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">When I took the TR4 (1962) out=
of winter=20
storage, it started on the second turn of the key=2E I drove home fine, no=
=20
problems=2E I cleaned up the car for a show last weekend=2E When I went to=
start, it=20
was hard starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before stalli=
ng=2E=20
The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of =E2=80=9Coomph=E2=80=9D=
=2E The rough running=20
was like it was on two cylinders or less=2E After several more attempts to=
get it=20
started, including some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on=
to=20
make sure the battery was charged fully=2E I attempted a start with the ch=
arger on=20
the =E2=80=9Cstart=E2=80=9D setting with no luck=2E While looking over the=
engine compartment for=20
a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the =
filter=20
adapter=2E The location was such that it appeared the seeping was between =
the oil=20
filter head and the adapter=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Although not associated with t=
he non-start=20
issue, I figured I would take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the se=
al=20
between the adapter and the filter head=2E I drained the oil, removed the =
filter,=20
installed a new filter and filled with oil=2E It did seem there was a bit =
of fuel=20
odor from the oil=2E I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will=
check=20
that later=2E The fuel pump was one of TRF=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CMade in Ital=
y=E2=80=9D pumps=2E The additional=20
start attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping=20
out=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Back to the start problem=2E&n=
bsp; The carbs=20
are SU HS6, as on the TR4A=2E I removed the fuel line at the float bowl an=
d gas=20
pumped out during an attempted start=2E The ignition is a Pertronix=2E Whe=
n I=20
removed the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a=
=20
separate, red rotor, so I tried both with no luck=2E To make sure the batt=
ery was=20
getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had=
=2E No=20
luck=2E I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and =
tried a=20
start=2E I had a spark right away and almost immediately the car started u=
p=2E Ran=20
roughly =E2=80=93 there were only three cylinders getting spark=2E<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I shut off the engine, replace=
d the spark=20
plug, and tried to start=2E No luck=2E Very baffling=2E I also had spark o=
n #2, #3,=20
and #4=2E With #2 removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed=2E Onc=
e the plug=20
is back in, the car will not start=2E Voltage at rest is 12=2E75v (have no=
t charged=20
it again after several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to=
11v=20
during starter engagement=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I had a new coil on hand so I =
tried it as=20
well=2E No luck=2E Connections from the coil to ignition switch and coil t=
o=20
Pertronix are clean and secure=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">All plug leads and the distrib=
utor lead are=20
clean and secure=2E Battery connections are clean and secure=2E Battery pu=
tting out=20
12-14v=2E Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean an=
d=20
secure=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I think that is everything I h=
ave tried to=20
date=2E Any suggestions are most welcome=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:=
en-ca">Keith=20
Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:=
en-ca">keithstewart@bell=2Enet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p></=
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