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Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:59:48 -0800
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Easy to tell if it is a broken crank.  Take off or loosen the fan belt =
and see if you can easily move the crankshaft pulley a few degrees in =
either direction.  If you can the crank is almost certainly broken.  The =
"T" series cranks break whether the engine has been recently rebuilt or =
not and breakage appears independant of the engine overall condition.  =
The thought is that a harmonic vibration sets up in the crank at about =
4100 rpm and finally fatigues the crank and it breaks.  With the stump =
pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 rpm is around 60mph.  Do yourself a favour =
and change the ratio to 4.3:1.
    I broke one in the late 60's.  Picked up a used crank for $25 from a =
Worseley 4/44, had it ground, picked up a complete set of bearings, =
pulled the motor, took off the pan and installed the 4/44 crank.  =
Nothing else was done.  After I had the parts this was done in less than =
one day and I drove the car for 10 years without any problem-mostly in =
the city of Sydney OZ.
             Hugh Pite
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Allen Bachelder=20
  To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
  Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop


  OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some place.  If it's a =
bearing, why should just one bearing catastrophically fail?  I rather =
like the broken crankshaft theory.  A friend of mine had that happen =
recently with his TF. As to repair, you can always get by for some time =
with a minimalist approach if you don't drive it too hard or too much.  =
If all you do is take it out on 40 mph club tours - about 500 miles per =
year, then that might be OK. If you want it right, do what it takes to =
make it right.  You may have to pull and disassemble quite a bit before =
you have your answer - and by that time, it will not make economic sense =
to put it back together with a minimal repair.  Most of us don't want to =
go this way more than once...


  OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in Kansas on the Rallye to Reno =
due to a horrible clatter that, after a tow back to Michigan, turned out =
to be valve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of course that =
was not associated with a loss of oil pressure...


  FWIW,
  Allen

  ****************************************************************
  Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
  Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
  '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
  North Street, MI 48049, USA
  http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
  ****************************************************************


  On Nov 11, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Richard Greenberg wrote:


    Still plenty of oil.  After I stopped, I restarted the engine to =
drive it slowly a few hundred feet to a safe spot off the highway.  The =
engine has never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its =
history? I have owned it about 15 years. It has always run fine, =
although not super peppy. =20

    If it proves to be a bearing, does one just fix the offending =
bearing, or is it a sign that everything is about to need redoing?

    I haven't had time to look at the rockers or the bearings.

    --Rick


    On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Steven Trovato wrote:


      Rick,



      I think you have to investigate the problem before you can decide =
on a course of action.  Sorry for stating the obvious, but there is =
still  plenty of oil in there, right?  If something failed causing all =
the oil to pour out on that hill, you would have a sudden drop in oil =
pressure and a whole lot of clatter.  What is the state of this engine?  =
Recent rebuild or old and tired?



      -Steve T.



      At 06:40 PM 11/11/2013, Richard Greenberg wrote:

        Hi all,

            This is about my TD, but I bet you folks can help.

            I decided to drive the TD, instead of my Magnette, to our =
British car club's annual BBQ.  About 25 miles out, running at about 50 =
mph uphill but not too hot, the engine started clattering and the oil =
pressure suddenly dropped to about 5 psi.  I had the poor car carried =
home.

            Any ideas about what happened? Rod bearing wiped out? Broken =
rocker arm?

            If it is one of those things, should I just make the repair, =
or is it time to have the whole engine rejuvenated?

        Thanks,

        Rick



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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>Easy to tell if it is a broken crank.&nbsp; =
Take off=20
or loosen the fan belt and see if you can easily move the crankshaft =
pulley a=20
few degrees in either direction.&nbsp; If you can the crank is almost =
certainly=20
broken.&nbsp; The "T" series cranks break whether the engine has been =
recently=20
rebuilt or not and breakage appears independant of the engine overall=20
condition.&nbsp; The thought is that a harmonic vibration sets up in the =
crank=20
at about 4100 rpm and finally fatigues the crank and it breaks.&nbsp; =
With the=20
stump pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 rpm is around 60mph.&nbsp; Do =
yourself a=20
favour and change the ratio to 4.3:1.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I broke one in the late =
60's.&nbsp;=20
Picked up a used crank for $25 from a Worseley 4/44, had it ground, =
picked up a=20
complete set of bearings, pulled the motor, took off the pan and =
installed the=20
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this was=20
done in less than one day and I drove the car for 10 years without any=20
problem-mostly in the city of Sydney OZ.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT=20
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Hugh Pite</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dbachldrs@comcast.net =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Engine =
Clatter=20
  &amp; pressure drop</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some =
place.=20
  &nbsp;If it's a bearing, why should just one bearing catastrophically =
fail?=20
  &nbsp;I rather like the broken crankshaft theory. &nbsp;A friend of =
mine had=20
  that happen recently with his TF. As to repair, you can always get by =
for some=20
  time with a minimalist approach if you don't drive it too hard or too =
much.=20
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miles per=20
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make it=20
  right. &nbsp;You may have to pull and disassemble quite a bit before =
you have=20
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it back=20
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way=20
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Reno=20
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out to be=20
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    <DIV>Still plenty of oil. &nbsp;After I stopped, I restarted the =
engine to=20
    drive it slowly a few hundred feet to a safe spot off the highway. =
&nbsp;The=20
    engine has never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its =
history? I=20
    have owned it about 15 years. It has always run fine, although not =
super=20
    peppy. &nbsp;<BR><BR>If it proves to be a bearing, does one just fix =
the=20
    offending bearing, or is it a sign that everything is about to need=20
    redoing?<BR><BR>I haven't had time to look at the rockers or the=20
    bearings.<BR><BR>--Rick<BR><BR><BR>On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:25 PM, =
Steven=20
    Trovato wrote:<BR><BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Rick,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">I think you have to investigate the =
problem before=20
      you can decide on a course of action. &nbsp;Sorry for stating the =
obvious,=20
      but there is still &nbsp;plenty of oil in there, right? &nbsp;If =
something=20
      failed causing all the oil to pour out on that hill, you would =
have a=20
      sudden drop in oil pressure and a whole lot of clatter. &nbsp;What =
is the=20
      state of this engine? &nbsp;Recent rebuild or old and=20
tired?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">-Steve T.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">At 06:40 PM 11/11/2013, Richard Greenberg=20
      wrote:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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      <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Hi all,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
      <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is about my =
TD, but=20
        I bet you folks can help.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
      <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I decided to =
drive the=20
        TD, instead of my Magnette, to our British car club's annual =
BBQ.=20
        &nbsp;About 25 miles out, running at about 50 mph uphill but not =
too=20
        hot, the engine started clattering and the oil pressure suddenly =
dropped=20
        to about 5 psi. &nbsp;I had the poor car carried=20
    home.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
      <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Any ideas about =
what=20
        happened? Rod bearing wiped out? Broken rocker=20
    arm?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
      <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If it is one of =
those=20
        things, should I just make the repair, or is it time to have the =
whole=20
        engine rejuvenated?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
      <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Thanks,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
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