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Re: Early Seven Frame Number Detail

To: rodbean@earthlink.net, geckopsych@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Early Seven Frame Number Detail
From: DWhitesdJr@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:17:35 EDT
In a message dated 8/4/00 7:33:52 AM Central Daylight Time, 
rodbean@earthlink.net writes:

<< Wait a minute here.  A chassis and a frame are generally considered the 
same
 thing.  A *rolling* chassis is the chassis (frame) with everything there
 except the drivetrain (the engine and transmission).  It the case of Sevens,
 there is no separate body (unless you want to consider the hood (bonnet) and
 fenders (wings) the sum total of the "body") so I'd say the body, chassis and
 frame are all the same thing.
 
 You're talking about a stamped frame number (put on there when it was a bare
 chassis... or frame) conflicting (or not) with a chassis *plate* number
 perhaps referring to the whole car.  Very confusing.
  >>

It is not really that confusing if you consider what was happening at Lotus 
from 1957-1965.  The company was wildly successful, but has no way of 
building cars in-house to meet the demand for Sevens, sports-racers and 
formula cars. They contracted with outside suppliers to deliver various 
components, including engines and frames.  A frame maker like Arch Motors 
would make a batch of frames, add their serial numbers for control and 
accounting purposes and deliver the frames to Lotus.  There are many 
contemporary shots of the Lotus factory with frames stacked everywhere.  
Lotus would, as time and demand dictated, add the engine, suspension and 
other components to make a complete car. At that point they would add their 
own chassis plate, which had no relationship to the frame makers' numbering 
system.  Unlike the frame number which was either stamped into the frame or 
welded on, the Lotus chassis plate was riveted to the car, meaning it became 
an easily removable souvenir.

Sometimes Lotus kept good records and if the build sheets for a series 
survive, a car without a chassis plate can be identified by the frame number 
given by the company who made the frame.

Probably 75% of the race cars do not have original chassis plates, but can be 
identified through the frame number.  For road cars, including the Seven, if 
there is no chassis plate I would be asking a lot of questions before I 
bought a "Lotus" Seven.  It might be a Caterham or a backyard knockoff.

David Whiteside
Owner of Loti with and without chassis plates

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