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RE: AutoX School -- street tires vs. race tires

To: <joey@hotngui.com>, <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: AutoX School -- street tires vs. race tires
From: "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:11:02 -0800
FWIW, it's still possible to flat spot tires even with ABS.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net 
> [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joey Jarosz
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 14:02
> To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: AutoX School -- street tires vs. race tires
> 
> 
> Thanx again everyone for the advice. I see everyone's points 
> but still cannot decide...
> 
> a) My vette has antilock brakes so flat spotting my tires is 
> a non-issue
> b) My street tires are much more expensive then my race tires 
> and are kind of soft so
>      they wear pretty fast (granted not as fast as the hoosiers)
> c) After running 2 events on my hoosiers already this year, I 
> can definitely say the
>       handling characteristics between my hoosiers and my 
> street tires are VERY
>       different.
> d)  I'm no expert (a very relative term) but I am pretty good 
> at most of the basic
>        driving techniques and in knowing the correct line.
> 
> I'm so confused...
> Of course, I can probably swap tires during lunch at the schools.
> 
> thanx,
> joey (Yes Virginia, I do want to have my cake and eat it too) jarosz
> 
> 
> Randy Noll wrote:
> 
> > Joey,
> >
> > Be careful with the hoosiers, you want to be sure the tires 
> last ALL 
> > DAY LONG. Heat probably won't be as much of a problem as 
> tire wear. My 
> > co-driver and I went through 2/3 of a set of KUMHOS at last year's 
> > school, though the GGF surface is probably more abrasive than 3COM, 
> > not sure on that tho.
> >
> > Also, as Katie said, you most likeley will be focusing a 
> lot more on 
> > theory and technique that will transcend tire choice and, in many 
> > cases, car choice. I drive an MR2 and actually rented a '00 
> Miata for 
> > one school I took last year. It was bone stock with street 
> tires and 
> > was still a great learning experience. Everything I learned carried 
> > over to my MR2.
> >
> > I would guess you'd probably toast a new set of Hoosiers at 
> a school, 
> > that's an expensive day :) Plus, you blow a turn early 
> while learning 
> > a corner and you could be on flatspotted tires for the rest of the 
> > day... for that reason alone I wouldn't bring Hoosiers to a school.
> >
> > I'd run the cheapest streets you can find and work on theory and 
> > technique.
> >
> > My 2 cents :)
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > --- Joey Jarosz <joey@hotngui.com> wrote:
> > > Thanx everyone for the advice. I think I'll go with my race tires 
> > > because...
> > >
> > > 1. I think I have enough experience with my street tires on 
> > > autocross and the road track to know how they work 2. I am 
> > > definitely running the race tires all year (rain not
> > > withstanding) and have already done 2 events with them 
> this year 3. 
> > > I am already writing off this set of hoosiers as my 
> "learning" tires 
> > > and fully expect to need to replace them with new rubber
> > >      before the season is over (SCCA, NASA, AAS)
> > > 4. After winning the Slush Novice 1 championship last year while 
> > > staring at my new racing tires sitting in my garage, I just want
> > >      to have some fun with them finally...
> > >
> > > thanx,
> > > joey
> > >
> > >
> > > > That's funny, because I was just telling Joey to run do whatever
> > > would save him more money. I think what most instructors teach 
> > > transcends tire choice anyway, though I could be wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Katie
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: james creasy [mailto:Black94PGT@pacbell.net]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:44 AM
> > > > To: Joey Jarosz; ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: Re: AutoX School -- street tires vs. race tires
> > > >
> > > > i would use whatever you will be using during the season.  you 
> > > > will practicing/learning new techniques, so you want 
> your car to 
> > > > be in
> > > race trim.
> > > >
> > > > -james
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Joey Jarosz" <joey@hotngui.com>
> > > > To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 7:30 AM
> > > > Subject: AutoX School -- street tires vs. race tires
> > > >
> > > > > I'm looking for opinions from qualified individuals about 
> > > > > whether
> > > or not
> > > > its
> > > > > a good idea to use street tires or autocross race tires during
> > > the
> > > > upcoming
> > > > > autocross schools. I can see some benefits and downsides to 
> > > > > both.
> > > I have
> > > > > more than a few races under my belt and I am NOT 
> running in the
> > > Novice
> > > > class
> > > > > this year.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanx,
> > > > > joey jarosz
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Joey Jarosz
> > > hot-n-GUI, Inc.
> > > (408) 247-5582
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> 
> --
> 
> Joey Jarosz
> hot-n-GUI, Inc.
> (408) 247-5582

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