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RE: mail fraud?

To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" <triumphs@autox.team.net>, "'Hutmacher, Greg'" <ghutmacher@stanleyworks.com>
Subject: RE: mail fraud?
From: Dean Dashwood <DDashwood@softwright.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:41:50 -0000
I'm not familiar with escrow in this context, but I know we use escrow
at work sometimes, and I assume it's the same people.

We use them when we write some software for a client, but we don't give
them the source code - some clients ask us to send a copy of the source
to escrow, so that if anything should happen to us (like we go out of
business, or the building burns down, or something equally tragic) they
can get the source out of escrow in case it ever needs changing.  I
don't really know much more than that, though, because I let my managers
worry about that kind of stuff.

(Ok, so that probably doesn't answer the question at all......)

>----------
>From:  Hutmacher, Greg[SMTP:ghutmacher@stanleyworks.com]
>Sent:  09 February 1999 14:42
>To:    'Brad Kahler'; triumphs@autox.team.net; 'Scott Decker'
>Subject:       RE: mail fraud?
>
>
>Along this line, has anyone heard of or familiar with internet/mail order
>"escrow" services?  I saw an internet ad once on it but don't remember the
>details.  Something like a neutral liaison between a buyer and seller for
>larger money transactions when neither knows anything about the other
>party's integrity.  For some fee (have no idea how much) the "escrow"
>service receives the money from the buyer and forwards it to the seller when
>the seller's merchandise is determined to be genuine or something to that
>effect.  Of course, for all I know, some scam artist could be advertising
>internet escrow services! Regards, Greg Hutmacher
>
>       ----------
>       From:  Scott Decker [SMTP:sdecker@bellsouth.net]
>       Sent:  Monday, February 01, 1999 8:43 PM
>       To:  'Brad Kahler'; triumphs@autox.team.net
>       Subject:  RE: mail fraud?
>
>
>       Brad & List:
>
>       I'm not a lawyer, so I can't advise on whether this is mail fraud or
>not,
>       but...
>
>       I've had real good success by using the following method to protect
>BOTH the
>       buyer and the seller.  (Usually only for something over 50 bucks, or
>       whatever your 'shaft limit' is)
>
>       Have the shipping person send the item COD via a commercial carrier.
>When
>       the item arrives, you pay COD for it, and a few days later the
>person gets
>       the money.  At worst, you (the buyer) don't pay a cent if the thing
>doesn't
>       arrive.  The seller is only out the cost of shipping if you don't
>pay for
>       some reason.
>
>       I know, it could have some holes but I've made several large (500
>dollar
>       plus) purchases in this way and both parties have been happy.  It's
>a shame
>       we have to do this, but hey, you just never know.  Like I said, this
>is
>       usually not necessary, especially with someone off this list.  Most
>everyone
>       is a great person and wouldn't dream of shafting someone.  But, you
>never
>       know.
>
>       Just my 2 cents.
>
>       Later!
>
>       Scott Decker
>       70 GT6+ KC79034L
>       Braselton (Road Atlanta), GA
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: owner-triumphs@autox.team.net
>       [mailto:owner-triumphs@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Kahler
>       Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 8:44 PM
>       To: triumphs@autox.team.net
>       Subject: mail fraud?
>
>
>
>       Listers,
>
>       I would like to find out what constitutes mail fraud.  I answered an
>add on
>       the VTR site for a rear fender.  After several emails and then phone
>       conversations with the gentleman we agreed on a price and shipping
>       charges.  The owner wanted a money order and I complied.  The price
>was
>       $90 so we aren't talking a lot of money here.  I just don't like the
>idea of
>       being screwed.  I sent the money back in August and quite a while
>went by
>       and no fender.  I finally called again around christmas time and
>talked to
>       him I think for the second time and I got the song and dance about
>him
>       having followed on hard times ect ect.  Same old song and dance.
>       Supposedly he is still going to ship the fender (yea right).
>
>       So does this constitute mail fraud or is it just stupidity on my
>part?  What
>       course of action should I take in this.  I have his address and
>phone
>       number.
>
>       Something I had thought of was trying to find a fellow lister to
>stop by
>       this
>       persons place and see if they could if nothing else pick up the
>fender from
>       him.  If this seems like a good idea are there any listers in the LA
>and the
>       area code prefix is 714 that would want to tackle this problem?
>
>       I'm open to any suggestions?
>
>       TIA
>       Brad  (Lincoln Nebraska 402-464-1502)
>       My Web Site Http://www.141.com/triumphs (updated 12/3/98)
>
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>

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