John, I also have bought many parts through Hemmings, the VTR site,
Triumphs list and also the Spitfires list. Never had problems. This has
been a real disappointment to me. I agree its theft. I'm glad he's not a
member of the list. I have a high reguard for everyone I've dealt with and
communicated with through the list. Its a great resource that I think polices
itself pretty well.
Worst case is I'll use some of my frequent flyer miles and fly to LA and see
what I can do. But then I'd have even more money wrapped up in rental
cars and hotel fees. Although I would do it just to prove a point to him.
Besides there are people in the LA area I would like to meet!
> Sorry Carl, i must disagree. I've bought and sold parts as an enthusiast
> for 25+ years through Hemmings, several other sources and the net. He
> took the $, kept it for 6 months. that is theft, pure and simple. I
> value the market that this medium offers, but if scams are allowed to go
> unchecked we all lose. One of the wonderful powers of this list is that
> we of common interest can work together to common benefit. This is a use
> of the list to the common good. I did exactly that 6 months ago with
> regard to a fellow in Utah using the MGB classifieds for similar purpose.
> Integrity does not succome to "hard times". John
>
> Musson, Carl wrote:
>
> > Let's not start that yet, IF the person is on the list Brad's note
> > should be fair warning. If not, then the idea of a local making contact
> > is a good alternative. If nothing pans out, then maybe let it be known
> > who it is.
> >
> > Just curious, was it a postal money order or from a major company such
> > as American Express? If it was USPS, then it definitely would qualify
> > as fraud and have federal repercussions, if one of the others, you might
> > call the 1-800 number on your stub to see if there is any assistance
> > available through them.
> >
> > Another thought, you have his address; send him a certified letter
> > stating your situation and asking for a response or the parts (sent
> > insured, signature required) within a specified amount of time. (2
> > weeks or so). You could ask for a separate response by mail when the
> > parts are shipped that states the carrier and tracking number.
> >
> > If you talk to someone about this at the post office or otherwise, and
> > they do state that it is fraud, then include that in the letter.
> >
> > Try not to be accusatory (I know it may be difficult); and be
> > understanding of his situation as he stated it.
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Susan and John Roper
> > [mailto:vscjohn@iamerica.net]
> > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 9:16 PM
> > To: Brad Kahler
> > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: mail fraud?
> >
> > Brad, why don't you let us know who he is and help shut
> > his scam down? John
> >
> > Brad Kahler wrote:
> >
> > > Listers,
> > >
> > > I would like to find out what constitutes mail fraud.
> > I answered an add on
> > > the VTR site for a rear fender. After several emails
> > and then phone
> > > conversations with the gentleman we agreed on a price
> > and shipping
> > > charges. The owner wanted a money order and I
> > complied. The price was
> > > $90 so we aren't talking a lot of money here. I just
> > don't like the idea of
> > > being screwed. I sent the money back in August and
> > quite a while went by
> > > and no fender. I finally called again around
> > christmas time and talked to
> > > him I think for the second time and I got the song and
> > dance about him
> > > having followed on hard times ect ect. Same old song
> > and dance.
> > > Supposedly he is still going to ship the fender (yea
> > right).
> > >
> > > So does this constitute mail fraud or is it just
> > stupidity on my part? What
> > > course of action should I take in this. I have his
> > address and phone
> > > number.
> > >
> > > Something I had thought of was trying to find a fellow
> > lister to stop by this
> > > persons place and see if they could if nothing else
> > pick up the fender from
> > > him. If this seems like a good idea are there any
> > listers in the LA and the
> > > area code prefix is 714 that would want to tackle this
> > problem?
> > >
> > > I'm open to any suggestions?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Brad (Lincoln Nebraska 402-464-1502)
> > > My Web Site Http://www.141.com/triumphs (updated
> > 12/3/98)
> > >
> > > 1964 Spitfire4 BFC25720L -- 1973 Spitfire 1500 FM3353U
> > > 1962 TR4 CT288L -- 1965 TR4 CT38888LO parts
> > car?
> > > 1959 TR3A TS41311L -- 1959 TR3A TS53523L parts
> > car
> > > 1951 Dodge Truck B-3-B-108
> >
>
>
>
Brad (Lincoln Nebraska 402-464-1502)
My Web Site Http://www.141.com/triumphs (updated 12/3/98)
1964 Spitfire4 BFC25720L -- 1973 Spitfire 1500 FM3353U
1962 TR4 CT288L -- 1965 TR4 CT38888LO parts car?
1959 TR3A TS41311L -- 1959 TR3A TS53523L parts car
1951 Dodge Truck B-3-B-108
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