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The missing retaining clip, and the drive shaft leaning to the side, presen=
ts a challenge, but under normal circumstances, what I use for adjusting th=
e oil pump drive shaft position is an old distributor with the cam gear rem=
oved from the distributor shaft. Nothing to fall off the end, relatively ch=
eap from a wrecking yard, and I can align the pump drive shaft so the distr=
ibutor rotor points to #1 cylinder.
Steve
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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Larry Mayfield vi=
a Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 1:43 PM
To: 'Gary' <garywinblad@comcast.net>; rflynn@alum.rpi.edu <rflynn@alum.rpi.=
edu>
Cc: tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft
Sounds like good advice! But when the socket comes off of the extension an=
d falls down into the pan, gonna have to remove it anyway. Or if you use a =
priming tool, yeah even better, wont it fall down the hole=85
Again, good advice!
mayf
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: 13 August 2020 07:18
To: rflynn@alum.rpi.edu
Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft
Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.
You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out the=
starter and re-gasket it.
I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first.
It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag t=
hough.
I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work.. put a drill on=
it an see if you can spin it
to get oil pressure. Drill needs to be on reverse. You'll get more resist=
ance at speed.
Gary
On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote:
A bit more diagnostic information
- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel =
the retaining clip that should be present
- Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top
- There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the las=
t person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to se=
at)
- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero re=
sistance, not sure if that is normal?
I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at =
the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it le=
ans over against the wall of the hole it is in.
Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do w=
ithout removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do thi=
ngs properly.
nblad@comcast.net>> wrote:
Sometimes they are just difficult...
IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side. We
jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side
which made it more vertical...
Good luck,
Gary
On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via
Tigers wrote:
In trying to replace the distributor after
changing my intake manifold on the =9165 289 in my Tiger, I am
struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft,
which seems to be leaning over.
- tried jiggling the rotor
- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while
applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing
both
- tried using a long socket & extension to put
the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations
My next attempts will involve
- having someone else push down while I turn the
crap with a ratchet
- trying to pack some grease around the shaft with
a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil
pump shaft more centered
Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words
of wisdom.
Cheers in advance,
Rick
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The missing retaining clip, and the drive shaft leaning to the side, presen=
ts a challenge, but under normal circumstances, what I use for adjusting th=
e oil pump drive shaft position is an old distributor with the cam gear rem=
oved from the distributor shaft.
Nothing to fall off the end, relatively cheap from a wrecking yard, and I =
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<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif=
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yway. Or if you use a priming tool, yeah even better,
wont it fall down the hole=85 </span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary<br>
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<b>To:</b> rflynn@alum.rpi.edu<br>
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Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.<br>
You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out the=
starter and re-gasket it.<br>
I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first.<br>
It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag t=
hough.<br>
I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work.. put a dri=
ll on it an see if you can spin it<br>
to get oil pressure. Drill needs to be on reverse. You'll get m=
ore resistance at speed.<br>
Gary<br>
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- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel =
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- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero re=
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I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at =
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Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do w=
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Sometimes they are just difficult...<br>
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IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side. We<b=
r>
<br>
jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side<br>
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which made it more vertical...<br>
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Good luck,<br>
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In trying to replace the distributor after<br>
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changing my intake manifold on the =9165 289 in my Tiger, I am<br>
<br>
struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft,<br>
<br>
which seems to be leaning over.</p>
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- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while<br>
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- tried using a long socket & extension to put<br>
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My next attempts will involve</p>
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- having someone else push down while I turn the<br>
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- trying to pack some grease around the shaft with<br>
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Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words<br>
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