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I use pieces of thread threw the pan/gasket holes to hold the pan gasket
in place. I just cut and pull them out as I install the bolts.
On 8/13/2020 7:51 AM, Dave Munroe via Tigers wrote:
> Rick, a frustrating problem. (Been there and done that.)
> I think you are getting pretty good advice on getting your dizzy
> installed.
>
> Regarding your oil pan:
> I recently took the pan off my 289 block to replace the pan seals
> with the engine in the car. Not too many problems getting it off,
> (didn't have to remove the starter).
> Getting the thing back on the car with the pan seals in place was a
> challenge. Getting the block half of the rear seal was tricky, as well
> as keeping the halves in place on the pan while maneuvering it around
> all the obstructions while laying on my back with everything almost at
> nose height. I had the car on jacks that just barely gave me room to
> get it done. A lift would have made it much easier. I finally put a
> small dollop of silicone on the seals and let it dry, to hold them in
> place. It worked quite well then.
> Also, follow the torque settings recommended for the pan bolts.
> Apparently there is a tendency to tighten them too much, which
> distorts the pan flange and leads to leaks. Mine had been over
> tightened by the previous "mechanic" that had tightened them.
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:18 AM Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net
>
> Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.
> You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to
> take out the starter and re-gasket it.
> I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first.
> It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be
> some drag though.
> I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work.. put a
> drill on it an see if you can spin it
> to get oil pressure. Drill needs to be on reverse. You'll get
> more resistance at speed.
> Gary
>
>
>
> On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote:
>> A bit more diagnostic information
>> - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do
>> not feel the retaining clip that should be present
>> - Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top
>> - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem
>> like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the
>> distributor just to get it to seat)
>> - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there
>> is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal?
>>
>> I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the
>> oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any
>> retaining clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.
>>
>> Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe
>> I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input
>> on that) and do things properly.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sometimes they are just difficult...
>>
>>
>> IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one
>> side. We
>>
>> jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side
>>
>>
>> which made it more vertical...
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via
>>
>> Tigers wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In trying to replace the distributor after
>>>
>>> changing my intake manifold on the â??65 289 in my Tiger, I am
>>>
>>> struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft,
>>>
>>> which seems to be leaning over.
>>>
>>>
>>> - tried jiggling the rotor
>>>
>>>
>>> - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while
>>>
>>> applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing
>>>
>>> both
>>>
>>>
>>> - tried using a long socket & extension to put
>>>
>>> the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My next attempts will involve
>>>
>>>
>>> - having someone else push down while I turn the
>>>
>>> crap with a ratchet
>>>
>>>
>>> - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with
>>>
>>> a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil
>>>
>>> pump shaft more centered
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words
>>>
>>> of wisdom.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers in advance,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> rick
>>>
>>>
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<p>I use pieces of thread threw the pan/gasket holes to hold the pan
gasket in place. I just cut and pull them out as I install the
bolts.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/13/2020 7:51 AM, Dave Munroe via
Tigers wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Rick, a
frustrating problem. (Been there and done that.)</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I think you
are getting pretty good advice on getting your dizzy
installed.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Regarding
your oil pan:</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I recently
took the pan off my 289 block to replace the pan seals
with the engine in the car. Not too many problems getting it
off, (didn't have to remove the starter).<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Getting the
thing back on the car with the pan seals in place was a
challenge. Getting the block half of the rear seal was tricky,
as well as keeping the halves in place on the pan while
maneuvering it around all the obstructions while laying on my
back with everything almost at nose height. I had the car on
jacks that just barely gave me room to get it done. A lift
would have made it much easier. I finally put a small
dollop of silicone on the seals and let it dry, to hold them
in place. It worked quite well then.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Also, follow
the torque settings recommended for the pan bolts. Apparently
there is a tendency to tighten them too much, which distorts
the pan flange and leads to leaks. Mine had been over
tightened by the previous "mechanic" that had tightened them.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Dave</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:18
AM Gary <<a href="mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">garywinblad@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div> Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.<br>
You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have
to take out the starter and re-gasket it.<br>
I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor
back first.<br>
It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should
be some drag though.<br>
I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..Â
put a drill on it an see if you can spin it<br>
to get oil pressure. Drill needs to be on reverse. You'll
get more resistance at speed.<br>
Gary<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div dir="auto">A bit more diagnostic information</div>
</div>
<div dir="auto">- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the
side of the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that
should be present</div>
<div dir="auto">- Beveled edge does visually appear to be
at the top</div>
<div dir="auto">- There is no residue in the distributor
shaft (i.e. does seem like the last person in there
stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to
seat)</div>
<div dir="auto">- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft
and spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if
that is normal?</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I am a bit concerned that the shaft has
come unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given
there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it
leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Starting to wonder if I should drop the
oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the
entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do
things properly.</div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2020
at 9:40 PM Gary <<a
href="mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">garywinblad@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div><br>
<br>
Sometimes they are just difficult...<br>
<br>
<br>
IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was
off to one side. We<br>
<br>
jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the
other side<br>
<br>
<br>
which made it more vertical...<br>
<br>
<br>
Good luck,<br>
<br>
<br>
Gary</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via<br>
<br>
Tigers wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">In trying to replace the
distributor after<br>
<br>
changing my intake manifold on the â??65 289 in
my Tiger, I am<br>
<br>
struggling to get it to slide down over the
oil pump shaft,<br>
<br>
which seems to be leaning over.</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">- tried jiggling the rotor</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">- tried turning the crank with a
ratchet while<br>
<br>
applying gentle pressure to the distributor,
though I was doing<br>
<br>
both</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">- tried using a long socket
& extension to put<br>
<br>
the oil pump shaft itself in different
orientations</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto"><br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">My next attempts will involve</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">- having someone else push down
while I turn the<br>
<br>
crap with a ratchet</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">- trying to pack some grease
around the shaft with<br>
<br>
a screwdriver prior to inserting the
distributor to keep the oil<br>
<br>
pump shaft more centered</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto"><br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">Would welcome any suggestions,
solutions, or words<br>
<br>
of wisdom.</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto"><br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">Cheers in advance,</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto"><br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">Rick</div>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto"><br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
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