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Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100

To: <josef-eckert@t-online.de>, <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
From: Gil Rockwell via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 22:11:18 -0400
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I=E2=80=99ve said enough, you don=E2=80=99t seem to get it, so I am ending =
this conversation.

 

Gil

 

From: josef-eckert@t-online.de <josef-eckert@t-online.de> 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2022 9:43 PM
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Cc: gilrockwell@gmail.com
Subject: WG: Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100

 

 

So it isn=C2=B4t allowed to say anything negative, even its the truth?

Is that the world you are living?

But to get back to the facts. An 82-year-old driver of a vintage car lost c=
ontrol of his vehicle while 
driving in Italy, drove into a ditch and killed himself and his wife in an =
accident.
Let's assume that instead of driving into the ditch, he would have collided=
 with another road user which can be very likely and 
this would have been injured or killed.
The police, especially in Italy where it happened, would have arrested the =
person who caused the 
accident immediately, the car would have been confiscated and the driver's =
license would have been 
withdrawn forever. No mercy!
The driver would then have had to answer in court and would probably not ha=
ve been happy with his life anymore.
Someone who has some sense does not put himself in such a situation.
It's just foolish at such an old age, probably through hubris, to submit to=
 such a danger.
I don't want to imply anything, but maybe a glass of wine was drunk as well=
, as is customary in Italy.

 

Josef

54 100, 62 BT7, 65 Sprite, and other classic cars

 

 

 

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Datum: 2022-10-07T22:05:30+0200



eam.net> >

 

 

 

In a polite society if you don=E2=80=99t have anything positive to say, jus=
t be quiet,  your negative comments help no one.  Perhaps when you grow in =
age, you will come to understand.  

 

Gil

 

61 BT7

 

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2022 3:55 PM
Subject: AW: [Healey=E2=80=99s] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100

 

Why? Just because you do not like to hear my opinion.

We are still living in a free world and opinions, even different to the own=
, should be allowed without shouting against each other..

 

 

 

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Datum: 2022-10-07T21:46:31+0200



eam.net> >

 

 

 

Then I respectfully suggest that you not write at all.  What you have said =
is completely disrespectful and unprofessional.

 

Gil

61 BT7

 

=2Eteam.net> > On Behalf Of josef-eckert--- via Healeys
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2022 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100

 

I do not see a need to please Mr and Mrs Twaite's daughter. When she is gri=
eving, she better would have kept her parents from doing such a silly thing=
 as a multi day rally or planned drive in their high age. 
Now she even lost her mother, who was definitely innocent. 

Sorry, when it sounds harsh what I write, but English language is not my mo=
ther tongue and I write this in English as I would write it in German langu=
age. 

Josef Eckert 
K=C3=B6nigswinter GERMANY 




Gesendet mit der Telekom Mail App 



--- Original-Nachricht --- 
Von: HealeyRick via Healeys 
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100 
Datum: 07. Oktober 2022, 13:59 
An: Randy Hicks 
Cc: Healey List 


I don't think Mr. Twaite's daughter, Carolyn, would be too pleased to read =
some of the comments about this accident.  She and her dad seemed to have a=
 lovely relationship based on classic cars and she must be grieving right n=
ow: https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/father-daughter-restocar-=
workshop-montreux 


Rick Neville 


On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 9:47 AM Randy Hicks via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.=

Awful.  


https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-rall=
y-austin-healey/ 


Randy 

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ve said enough, you =
don=E2=80=99t seem to get it, so I am ending this =
conversation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gil<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> josef-eckert@t-online.de =
&lt;josef-eckert@t-online.de&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 07, =
2022 9:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Cc:</b> =
gilrockwell@gmail.com<br><b>Subject:</b> WG: Sad news - Rallyist Killed =
in Healey 100<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>So =
it isn=C2=B4t allowed to say anything negative, even its the =
truth?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Is =
that the world you are living?</span><o:p></o:p></p><pre><span =
class=3Dy2iqfc><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>But to get back to the facts. =
An 82-year-old driver of a vintage car lost control of his vehicle while =
</span></span><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><span =
class=3Dy2iqfc>driving in Italy, drove into a ditch and killed himself =
and his wife in an accident.<o:p></o:p></span></span></pre><pre><span =
class=3Dy2iqfc><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Let's assume that instead of =
driving into the ditch, he would have collided with another road user =
which can be very likely and </span></span><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><span class=3Dy2iqfc>this =
would have been injured or =
killed.<o:p></o:p></span></span></pre><pre><span class=3Dy2iqfc><span =
lang=3DEN style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The police, =
especially in Italy where it happened, would have arrested the person =
who caused the </span></span><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><span =
class=3Dy2iqfc>accident immediately, the car would have been confiscated =
and the driver's license would have been </span><br><span =
class=3Dy2iqfc>withdrawn forever. No =
mercy!<o:p></o:p></span></span></pre><pre><span class=3Dy2iqfc><span =
lang=3DEN style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The driver would then =
have had to answer in court and would probably not have been happy with =
his life anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></span></pre><pre><span =
class=3Dy2iqfc><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Someone who has some sense does =
not put himself in such a situation.</span></span><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><span class=3Dy2iqfc>It's =
just foolish at such an old age, probably through hubris, to submit to =
such a danger.</span></span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
id=3Dtw-target-text><span class=3Dy2iqfc><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I don't want to imply anything, =
but maybe a glass of wine was drunk as well, as is customary in =
Italy.</span></span><o:p></o:p></pre><div><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Jos=
ef</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>54 =
100, 62 BT7, 65 Sprite, and other classic cars</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>-----Original-Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>Betreff: RE: [Healey=E2=80=99s] Sad news - Rallyist =
Killed in Healey 100<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'>Datum: =
2022-10-07T22:05:30+0200<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'>Von: =
&quot;Gil Rockwell&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gilrockwell@gmail.com";>gilrockwell@gmail.com</a>&gt;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'>An: &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>&quo=
t; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>&gt;=
, &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";>healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";>healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;, =
&quot;'Forum Healey'&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<o:p=
></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In a polite =
society if you don=E2=80=99t have anything positive to say, just be =
quiet,&nbsp; your negative comments help no one.&nbsp; Perhaps when you =
grow in age, you will come to understand. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Gil<o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>61 =
BT7<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><spa=
n style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong> <a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a> =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>&gt;=
 <br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> Friday, =
October 07, 2022 3:55 PM<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> Gil =
Rockwell &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gilrockwell@gmail.com";>gilrockwell@gmail.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";>healeyrik@gmail.com</a>; Forum =
Healey &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>=
<strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> AW: =
[Healey=E2=80=99s] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey =
100<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Why=
? Just because you do not like to hear my =
opinion.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We =
are still living in a free world and opinions, even different to the =
own, should be allowed without shouting against each =
other..</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>-----Original-Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>Betreff: RE: [Healey=E2=80=99s] Sad news - Rallyist =
Killed in Healey 100<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'>Datum: =
2022-10-07T21:46:31+0200<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'>Von: =
&quot;Gil Rockwell&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gilrockwell@gmail.com";>gilrockwell@gmail.com</a>&gt;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'>An: &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>&quo=
t; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>&gt;=
, &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";>healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";>healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;, =
&quot;'Forum Healey'&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<o:p=
></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Then I =
respectfully suggest that you not write at all.&nbsp; What you have said =
is completely disrespectful and unprofessional.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Gil<o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>61 =
BT7<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><spa=
n style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong> =
Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>healeys-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>&gt; <strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On =
Behalf Of </span></strong>josef-eckert--- via Healeys<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> Friday, =
October 07, 2022 10:24 AM<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";>healeyrik@gmail.com</a>; Forum =
Healey &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>=
<strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> Re: =
[Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey =
100<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I do not see a =
need to please Mr and Mrs Twaite's daughter. When she is grieving, she =
better would have kept her parents from doing such a silly thing as a =
multi day rally or planned drive in their high age. <br>Now she even =
lost her mother, who was definitely innocent. <br><br>Sorry, when it =
sounds harsh what I write, but English language is not my mother tongue =
and I write this in English as I would write it in German language. =
<br><br>Josef Eckert <br>K=C3=B6nigswinter GERMANY =
<br><br><br><br><br>Gesendet mit der Telekom Mail App =
<br><br><br><br>--- Original-Nachricht --- <br>Von: HealeyRick via =
Healeys <br>Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey =
100 <br>Datum: 07. Oktober 2022, 13:59 <br>An: Randy Hicks <br>Cc: =
Healey List <br><br><br>I don't think Mr. Twaite's daughter, Carolyn, =
would be too pleased to read some of the comments about this =
accident.&nbsp; She and her dad seemed to have a lovely relationship =
based on classic cars and she must be grieving right now:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/father-daughter-res=
tocar-workshop-montreux">https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/fa=
ther-daughter-restocar-workshop-montreux</a> <br><br><br>Rick Neville =
<br><br><br>On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 9:47 AM Randy Hicks via Healeys =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote: <br><br>Awful.&nbsp; <br><br><br><a =
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