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Re: [Healeys] BN2 Wiring Begins

To: "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN2 Wiring Begins
From: David Nock BCS via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 08:15:02 -0700
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Headlights are not fused with a single fuse for safety reasons. If there =
is an electrical fault that blows a fuse you will loose all lights.

If you want to protect the light circuit  I would recommend Installing a =
separate fuse for each light. Left and Right both high and low beams.

However in 45 years of working on British Cars. I do not remember a =
electrical fire due to a headlight issue. I have see lots damage to the =
white wire circuit due to damage under the car causing a short. Also =
have seen the red wire to the tail and dash lights also due to damage to =
the harness under the car or things in the trunk.  Usually if there is =
an electrical short it is caused by the rubber connectors rotting away =
and shorting out, or an old cloth harness that needed replaced anyway.

=20

David Nock
British Car Specialists
209-948-8767
www.britishcarspecialists.com

From: Michael Oritt=20
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 6:31 PM
To: David Nock=20
Cc: gradea1@charter.net ; Ahealey help ; Michael Lempert=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN2 Wiring Begins

David--

I have never understood this approach though I know it is what you, your =
Dad and some others espouse.

Here's my issue:  If a short-circuit/overload should occur with no =
sacrificial fuse isn't it likely that the wiring will be destroyed with =
insulation melted at the point of the short, requiring replacement of =
the wire?  If so, how is one worse off with a fuse protecting the =
circuit--in either case there will be no lights but with a fuse it is =
possible one might find the cause of the problem and cure it while on =
the road with no need to later pull new wires, etc.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:40 PM David Nock via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

  DO NOT FUSE THE BLUE HEADLIGHT WIRE.=20

  Why because if you are driving at night and suddenly loose your lights =
due to a faulty fuse for what ever reason. You will not be able to see =
and then you never know what may happen.

  David Nock



    On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

    There is no fuse protection to the rear of the car and also the =
headlights.  Suggest you add a 20A inline fuse to the red wire coming to =
the rear just at the left side junction of the tail lamp harness to =
protect both tail and licence lights in the event of a rear end =
collision.  A short will burn the harness down all the way to the =
firewall.  Also fuse the blue wire at the headlight switch for the same =
reason. The fuse box only covers the horns, battery (50A) and key on =
items (35A). If you use US made fuses cut them by 1/2 - 25 and 17 amp =
Buss fuses=20

    Note also that the BN2 has only one overdrive relay (no govener). =
Hank, healeyhelper.com


    -----------------------------------------

    From: "Michael Salter via Healeys"=20
    To: "Team.net"
    Cc: "Ahealey help", "Michael Lempert"
    Sent: Saturday July 18 2020 2:17:15PM
    Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN2 Wiring Begins


    Put a fuse in the power circuit from the battery before you turn =
anything on.  Better to blow a fuse than burn up the wiring.

    Absolutely=20

    On Sat., Jul. 18, 2020, 4:30 p.m. Team.net via Healeys, =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

      Put a fuse in the power circuit from the battery before you turn =
anything on.  Better to blow a fuse than burn up the wiring.



        On Jul 18, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Michael Lempert via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:


        > As some of you may remember, I am trying to get as much done =
in the engine
        > bay of my BN2 as possible before I try dropping the engine in =
the car.
        > Last night i finished mounting the insulating panels on the =
outside of the
        > driver's footwell.  This weekend I would like to start to =
install the part
        > of the wiring harness that passes through the firewall and =
whatever sub
        > harnesses go in the engine bay.  In the past I installed a new =
harness in
        > my Bugeye during that restoration without much trouble.  That =
is a much
        > simpler harness though.  The harness for the BN2 has a lot =
more going on
        > under the bonnet.  I can see the general physical routing of =
the main
        > harness in some of the many pictures I have gathered over the =
years.  It is
        > a little intimidating when there are points in the harness =
when multiple
        > wires of the same color exit the loom at a single point.  One =
spot has four
        > white wires, two smaller gauge than the other two, and one =
brown wire.
        > Another has four green wires and one brown wire coming out of =
the loom a
        > couple inches from the bunch of white wires.  I can see what =
component
        > these wires go to by the routing of the loom, but how to know =
which wire of
        > the same color goes to which connection on that component.  =
Any suggestions
        > before I pull out what hair I have left?
        > Mike MacLean
        >=20

        Michael:  If you=E2=80=99re working from a BN1 wiring diagram, =
be aware that there was but one difference with the BN2. The flasher =
indicator in the dash instrument panel is wired differently. Best to =
check that you have the correct indicator first.=20

        Regards,
        Mike Lempert
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<DIV>Headlights are not fused with a single fuse for safety reasons. If =
there is=20
an electrical fault that blows a fuse you will loose all lights.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If you want to protect the light circuit&nbsp; I would recommend =
Installing=20
a separate fuse for each light. Left and Right both high and low =
beams.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>However in 45 years of working on British Cars. I do not remember a =

electrical fire due to a headlight issue. I have see lots damage to the =
white=20
wire circuit due to damage under the car causing a short. Also have seen =
the red=20
wire to the tail and dash lights also due to damage to the harness under =
the car=20
or things in the trunk.&nbsp; Usually if there is an electrical short it =
is=20
caused by the rubber connectors rotting away and shorting out, or an old =
cloth=20
harness that needed replaced anyway.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">David=20
Nock<BR>British Car=20
Specialists<BR>209-948-8767<BR>www.britishcarspecialists.com</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dmichael.oritt@gmail.com>Michael Oritt</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 19, 2020 6:31 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dhealeydoc@sbcglobal.net>David Nock</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dgradea1@charter.net>gradea1@charter.net</A> ; =
<A=20
title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net>Ahealey help</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dmlempert@bellsouth.net>Michael Lempert</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] BN2 Wiring Begins</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">David--</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">I have never =
understood this=20
approach though I know it is what you, your Dad and some others =
espouse.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">Here's my =
issue:&nbsp; If a=20
short-circuit/overload should occur with no sacrificial fuse isn't it =
likely=20
that the wiring will be destroyed with insulation melted at the point of =
the=20
short, requiring replacement of the wire?&nbsp; If so, how is one worse =
off with=20
a fuse protecting the circuit--in either case there will be no lights =
but with a=20
fuse it is possible one might find the cause of the problem and cure it =
while on=20
the road with no need to later pull new wires, etc.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">Best--Michael =
Oritt</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:40 PM David =
Nock via=20
Healeys &lt;<A>healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; =
MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
  <DIV style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word">DO NOT FUSE THE BLUE =
HEADLIGHT WIRE.=20
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>Why because if you =
are driving=20
  at night and suddenly loose your lights due to a faulty fuse for what =
ever=20
  reason. You will not be able to see and then you never know what may=20
  happen.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>David Nock</DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
    <DIV>On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys &lt;<A=20
    target=3D_blank>healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt; wrote:</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>There is no fuse protection to the rear of the car and also the =

    headlights.&nbsp; Suggest you add a 20A inline fuse to the red wire =
coming=20
    to the rear just at the left side junction of the tail lamp harness =
to=20
    protect both tail and licence lights in the event of a rear end=20
    collision.&nbsp; A short will burn the harness down all the way to =
the=20
    firewall.&nbsp; Also fuse the blue wire at the headlight switch for =
the same=20
    reason. The fuse box only covers the horns, battery (50A) and key on =
items=20
    (35A). If you use US made fuses cut them by 1/2 - 25 and 17 amp Buss =
fuses=20
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Note also that the BN2 has only one overdrive relay (no =
govener). Hank,=20
    <A href=3D"http://healeyhelper.com"; =
target=3D_blank>healeyhelper.com</A><BR><BR>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <P>-----------------------------------------</P>From: "Michael =
Salter via=20
    Healeys" <U></U><BR>To: "<A href=3D"http://Team.net"=20
    target=3D_blank>Team.net</A>"<BR>Cc: "Ahealey help", "Michael=20
    Lempert"<BR>Sent: Saturday July 18 2020 2:17:15PM<BR>Subject: Re: =
[Healeys]=20
    BN2 Wiring Begins<BR><BR>
    <DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Put a =
fuse in=20
    the power circuit from the battery before you turn anything =
on.&nbsp; Better=20
    to blow a fuse than burn up the wiring.</SPAN><BR=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">
    <DIV><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: =
sans-serif"><B><U><I>Absolutely</I></U></B>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Sat., Jul. 18, 2020, 4:30 p.m. =
<A=20
    href=3D"http://Team.net"; target=3D_blank>Team.net</A> via Healeys, =
&lt;<A=20
    target=3D_blank>healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
    style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; =
MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
      <DIV style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word">Put a fuse in the power =
circuit=20
      from the battery before you turn anything on.&nbsp; Better to blow =
a fuse=20
      than burn up the wiring.<BR>
      <DIV><BR>
      <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
        <DIV>On Jul 18, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Michael Lempert via Healeys =
&lt;<A=20
        rel=3Dnoreferrer target=3D_blank>healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt; =
wrote:</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14px; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; =
FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; =
TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: normal">
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U></U><U></U>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        As some of you may remember, I am trying to get as much done in =
the=20
        engine</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        bay of my BN2 as possible before I try dropping the engine in =
the=20
        car.</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        Last night i finished mounting the insulating panels on the =
outside of=20
        the</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        driver's footwell.&nbsp; This weekend I would like to start to =
install=20
        the part</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        of the wiring harness that passes through the firewall and =
whatever=20
        sub</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        harnesses go in the engine bay.&nbsp; In the past I installed a =
new=20
        harness in</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        my Bugeye during that restoration without much trouble.&nbsp; =
That is a=20
        much</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        simpler harness though.&nbsp; The harness for the BN2 has a lot =
more=20
        going on</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        under the bonnet.&nbsp; I can see the general physical routing =
of the=20
        main</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        harness in some of the many pictures I have gathered over the=20
        years.&nbsp; It is</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        a little intimidating when there are points in the harness when=20
        multiple</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        wires of the same color exit the loom at a single point.&nbsp; =
One spot=20
        has four</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        white wires, two smaller gauge than the other two, and one brown =

        wire.</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        Another has four green wires and one brown wire coming out of =
the loom=20
        a</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        couple inches from the bunch of white wires.&nbsp; I can see =
what=20
        component</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        these wires go to by the routing of the loom, but how to know =
which wire=20
        of</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        the same color goes to which connection on that component.&nbsp; =
Any=20
        suggestions</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        before I pull out what hair I have left?</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;=20
        Mike MacLean</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&gt;<U></U>&nbsp;<U></U></DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
        style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; =
COLOR: windowtext; FONT-STYLE: normal"><SPAN=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
        style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; =
COLOR: windowtext; FONT-STYLE: normal"><SPAN=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Michael:&nbsp; If you=E2=80=99re =
working from a BN1=20
        wiring diagram, be aware that there was but one difference with =
the BN2.=20
        The flasher indicator in the dash instrument panel is wired =
differently.=20
        Best to check that you have the correct indicator=20
        first.<SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN><U></U><U></U></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
        style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; =
COLOR: windowtext; FONT-STYLE: normal"><SPAN=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
        style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; =
COLOR: windowtext; FONT-STYLE: normal"><SPAN=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Regards,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; =
MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
        style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; =
COLOR: windowtext; FONT-STYLE: normal"><SPAN=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Mike =
Lempert</SPAN></SPAN></DIV></DIV><SPAN=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14px; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; =
FLOAT: none; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; =
LETTER-SPACING: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: =
normal">_______________________________________________</SPAN><BR=20
        style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14px; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; =
FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; =
TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-caps: normal"><SPAN=20
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