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I bought an F250! I mentioned that I had a couple of GMC 2500HD's and
recently switched to an F250. I may be mis-informed or possibly they have
changed the recipe on newer models, but the GM 2500 and 3500 HD's were
virtually identical in every way other than rear axle ratios. I opted for
the 3.73 in the 2500 versus the 4.10 in the 3500 because the 3.73 works
just fine with 10,000 lbs and I lived under the illusion that I would get
better gas mileage.
This time around my wife wanted the F250 so I did not research Fords versus
GM to find out if they did it the same way, but Bill's question got me to
thinking about it. I found this short article which explains the Fords and
there are minor differences between the F250 and F350's as listed below.
In my comparison of the 2500HD's to the current F250, I find the Ford is
less harsh over bumps and wavy pavement making my aging bones happier. I
suppose that an F350 would be harsher.
F250 vs F350: Engine and Transmission
Both the F250 and the F350 are available with gas or diesel engines. Most
are equipped with the diesel because it is more economical and hauls/tows
better. Both the F250 and F350 are also available with both an automatic,
and manual transmission. So what=E2=80=99s the drivetrain difference? There=
isn=E2=80=99t
one. *The F250 and F350 share the exact same drivetrain.*
F250 vs F350: Axles
Depending on which year you Super Duty you=E2=80=99re looking at, the front=
axle
may be a Dana 50 or Dana 60. Older F250s and F350s use the Dana 50, which
is an excellent axle. Newer F250s and F350s use the Dana 60 which is
slightly beefier than the Dana 50. All years of the SRW (Single Rear Wheel)
F250 and F350 use the Ford/Sterling 10.75. The F350 gets a slightly larger
center section, otherwise, it=E2=80=99s the same as the F250=E2=80=99s rear=
axle. All years
of the dually receive the Dana 80.
*Basically the only difference is the SRW F350=E2=80=99s larger center sect=
ion.*You
can read more about this in our Dana 44 vs Dana 60
<https://dustrunnersauto.com/dana-44-vs-dana-60/> article.
F250 vs F350: Suspension
All years of Super Duty trucks are available with heavy duty springs and
standard springs. Both the F250 and the F350 have optional overload
springs. The F350=E2=80=99s leaf springs are slightly stiffer, but it=E2=80=
=99s such a
small difference you probably wouldn=E2=80=99t notice on the road. The F350=
has
stiffer springs up front as standard, the F250 has those same springs as an
option. Something that surprised me is that both of these trucks come with
factory blocks in the rear. The F250 is equipped with a 2.5=E2=80=B3 block,=
which
lifts the rear up to help the truck sit level whilst towing. The F350 comes
factory with a 4=E2=80=B3 rear block. The bigger rear block on the F350 giv=
es it a
slightly higher tow rating.
To put it simply, the F350 has marginally stiffer springs, and a 4=E2=80=B3=
block
compared to the F250=E2=80=99s 3.5=E2=80=B3 block.
F250 vs F350: Which One is Better?
Something I didn=E2=80=99t mention above is the fact that some states will =
consider
the F350 to be a commercial vehicle. This will make your insurance and
registration costs go up. If you live in a state where that is not the
case, I would say get an F350. The slightly stiffer springs will make
towing a little bit nicer. Prices for both the F250 and F350 are nearly
identical, so there=E2=80=99s really no reason not to go with the F350.
Bob Kramer
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Ponostyle via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
wrote:
> I=E2=80=99d say =E2=80=9Cwho buys F250=E2=80=9Ds?? The cost difference fo=
r an F350 is trivial,
> especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my
> Airstream toy hauler with mine, it=E2=80=99s the second F350 I=E2=80=99ve=
owned. My first
> one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the ca=
b
> ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is=E2=80=99t the worst job in=
to world,
> but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in
> and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry=
)
> and didn=E2=80=99t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it=E2=
=80=99s a MUCH
> better truck, though I can=E2=80=99t park it for shit. It=E2=80=99s a twi=
n cab with an
> eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it=E2=80=99s 22=E2=80=
=99. Hook it up to
> Fritz, my 34=E2=80=99 Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it=E2=80=99s a solid c=
ity block.
>
> But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me i=
n
> parking lots=E2=80=94they don=E2=80=99t hear me coming. Weird for a Diese=
l. Without the
> trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren=
=E2=80=99t
> a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better ye=
t,
> put it in cruise at 65=E2=80=94and you=E2=80=99re gold.
>
> My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer. That said:
> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new. Heck, we've killed
> two trailers in that time. It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 a=
s
> long as we dont have any more races cancelled. It has a swaybar hitch th=
at
> helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and
> require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
>
> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and
> alternators. I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our
> crew cab model.
>
> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban. An uphill departure from a fuel or
> lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds=
.
> The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
>
> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
>
> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I
> should consider a dually. His reply was that I should only buy such a
> thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel
> trailer. Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with
> broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wi=
de
> enough.
>
> Just my experience.
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"
> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM
> To: Amici Triumphi
> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
>
> Hi all,
>
> I=E2=80=99ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few yea=
rs now.
> It=E2=80=99s 14 feet of =E2=80=9Cgarage=E2=80=9D space in the back and 10=
feet of RV in the front
> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area). All in, full of water, car loade=
d,
> it weighs about 9,500 lbs. I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 poun=
ds
> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
> the truck, but not too bad.
>
> I=E2=80=99ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package puttin=
g towing
> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 f=
t
> lb torque. I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
> strut. And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine. But when it=E2=
=80=99s
> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to s=
et
> off the truck=E2=80=99s automatic trailer sway alarm (it=E2=80=99s a big =
baby=E2=80=A6).
>
> So I=E2=80=99ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 su=
per duty
> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance. An F-250
> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
> trucks. Is that enough to make a noticeable difference? Are there other
> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) =E2=80=93 and it=
=E2=80=99s what I
> drive all winter. The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume). Not to
> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I=E2=80=99d be taki=
ng on
> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250. Which is all to say th=
at
> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
> would make the move.
>
> What say you, towing brain trust? Is it worth the move?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I bought an F250!=C2=A0 I mentioned that I had a coup=
le of GMC 2500HD's and recently switched to an F250.=C2=A0 I may be mis=
-informed or possibly they have changed the recipe on newer models, but the=
GM 2500 and 3500 HD's were virtually identical in every way other than=
rear axle ratios. I opted for the 3.73 in the 2500 versus the 4.10 in the =
3500 because the 3.73 works just fine with 10,000 lbs and I lived under the=
illusion that I would get better gas mileage.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br><br>This time=
around my wife wanted the F250 so I did not research Fords=C2=A0versus GM =
to find out if they did it the same way, but Bill's question=C2=A0got m=
e to thinking about it. I found this short article which explains the Fords=
and there=C2=A0are minor differences between the F250 and F350's as li=
sted below.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>In my comparison of the 25=
00HD's to the current F250, I find the Ford is less harsh over bumps an=
d wavy pavement making my aging bones happier. I suppose that an F350 would=
be harsher.<span style=3D"font-weight:normal"><font size=3D"2"><br></font>=
</span></div><div><br></div><h2 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1.25rem;padding:0px=
;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;fo=
nt-stretch:inherit;font-size:1.5rem;line-height:1.3;font-family:"open =
sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)">F250 vs F350: Engine and Transmission</h2><p style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1=
.25rem;padding:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-eas=
t-asian:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:14px;line-height:inherit;fon=
t-family:"open sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:ba=
seline;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Both the F250 and the F350 are available with gas =
or diesel engines. Most are equipped with the diesel because it is more eco=
nomical and hauls/tows better. Both the F250 and F350 are also available wi=
th both an automatic, and manual transmission. So what=E2=80=99s the drivet=
rain difference? There isn=E2=80=99t one.=C2=A0<em style=3D"margin:0px;padd=
ing:0px;border:0px;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:in=
herit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-al=
ign:baseline">The F250 and F350 share the exact same drivetrain.</em></p><h=
2 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1.25rem;padding:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numer=
ic:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:1=
.5rem;line-height:1.3;font-family:"open sans",Helvetica,Arial,san=
s-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(0,0,0)">F250 vs F350: Axles</h2><=
p style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1.25rem;padding:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numer=
ic:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:1=
4px;line-height:inherit;font-family:"open sans",Helvetica,Arial,s=
ans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Depending on which year=
you Super Duty you=E2=80=99re looking at, the front axle may be a Dana 50 =
or Dana 60. Older F250s and F350s use the Dana 50, which is an excellent ax=
le. Newer F250s and F350s use the Dana 60 which is slightly beefier than th=
e Dana 50. All years of the SRW (Single Rear Wheel) F250 and F350 use the F=
ord/Sterling 10.75. The F350 gets a slightly larger center section, otherwi=
se, it=E2=80=99s the same as the F250=E2=80=99s rear axle. All years of the=
dually receive the Dana 80.=C2=A0<em style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px;borde=
r:0px;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-si=
ze:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline"=
>Basically the only difference is the SRW F350=E2=80=99s larger center sect=
ion.<br></em>You can read more about this in our=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://du=
strunnersauto.com/dana-44-vs-dana-60/" style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px;bord=
er:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:600;font-stretch=
:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical=
-align:baseline;color:rgb(230,73,70);text-decoration-line:none">Dana 44 vs =
Dana 60</a>=C2=A0article.</p><h2 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1.25rem;padding:0p=
x;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;f=
ont-stretch:inherit;font-size:1.5rem;line-height:1.3;font-family:"open=
sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(0,=
0,0)">F250 vs F350: Suspension</h2><p style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1.25rem;paddi=
ng:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inhe=
rit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:14px;line-height:inherit;font-family:&qu=
ot;open sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">All years of Super Duty trucks are available with heavy duty s=
prings and standard springs. Both the F250 and the F350 have optional overl=
oad springs. The F350=E2=80=99s leaf springs are slightly stiffer, but it=
=E2=80=99s such a small difference you probably wouldn=E2=80=99t notice on =
the road. The F350 has stiffer springs up front as standard, the F250 has t=
hose same springs as an option. Something that surprised me is that both of=
these trucks come with factory blocks in the rear. The F250 is equipped wi=
th a 2.5=E2=80=B3 block, which lifts the rear up to help the truck sit leve=
l whilst towing. The F350 comes factory with a 4=E2=80=B3 rear block. The b=
igger rear block on the F350 gives it a slightly higher tow rating.</p><p s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 1.25rem;padding:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:=
inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:14px=
;line-height:inherit;font-family:"open sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans=
-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(0,0,0)">To put it simply, the F350=
has marginally stiffer springs, and a 4=E2=80=B3 block compared to the F25=
0=E2=80=99s 3.5=E2=80=B3 block.</p><h2 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1.25rem;padd=
ing:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inh=
erit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:1.5rem;line-height:1.3;font-family:&quo=
t;open sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">F250 vs F350: Which One is Better?</h2><p style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 1.25rem;padding:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant=
-east-asian:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:14px;line-height:inherit=
;font-family:"open sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;vertical-alig=
n:baseline;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Something I didn=E2=80=99t mention above is th=
e fact that some states will consider the F350 to be a commercial vehicle. =
This will make your insurance and registration costs go up. If you live in =
a state where that is not the case, I would say get an F350. The slightly s=
tiffer springs will make towing a little bit nicer. Prices for both the F25=
0 and F350 are nearly identical, so there=E2=80=99s really no reason not to=
go with the F350.</p><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-=
smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div>=
<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Ponostyle via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto=
:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-w=
ord;">I=E2=80=99d say =E2=80=9Cwho buys F250=E2=80=9Ds?? The cost differenc=
e for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of =
ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it=E2=80=99s the second =
F350 I=E2=80=99ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that wou=
ld have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the c=
ab is=E2=80=99t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I nee=
ded my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one =
came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn=E2=80=99t have all the f=
ancy shit my previous one had. But it=E2=80=99s a MUCH better truck, though=
I can=E2=80=99t park it for shit. It=E2=80=99s a twin cab with an eight fo=
ot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it=E2=80=99s 22=E2=80=99. Hook =
it up to Fritz, my 34=E2=80=99 Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it=E2=80=99s a =
solid city block.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>But the diesel engine is so quie=
t that people step right in front of me in parking lots=E2=80=94they don=E2=
=80=99t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg=
on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren=E2=80=99t a lot of hi=
lls to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in =
cruise at 65=E2=80=94and you=E2=80=99re gold.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><di=
v>My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><=
div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mi=
ke Jackson via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spac=
ing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space=
:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-size:16px;font-family:ar=
ial,sans-serif">I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.=C2=A0 Th=
at said:<div style=3D"margin:0px">I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel si=
nce it was new.=C2=A0 Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.=C2=
=A0 It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have=
any more races cancelled.=C2=A0 It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 1=
8 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of op=
posite lock to keep it between the whites.</div><div style=3D"margin:0px"><=
br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px">It's been quite reliable with the ex=
ception of AC systems and alternators.=C2=A0 I now travel with a spare alt =
behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.</div><div style=3D"margin:0px">=
<br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px">Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.=C2=
=A0 An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but v=
ery little movement for a few seconds.=C2=A0 The F350 diesel is like a mule=
, say "go" and it does.</div><div style=3D"margin:0px"><br></div>=
<div style=3D"margin:0px">And yes, it's my around town daily driver.</d=
iv><div style=3D"margin:0px"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px">I recall a=
sking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider=
a dually.=C2=A0 His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I lik=
ed buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.=C2=A0 Short=
ly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fe=
nders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.</div><div s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px">Just my experience.=
</div><div style=3D"margin:0px">Mike=C2=A0<br><br><blockquote style=3D"padd=
ing-left:5px;margin-left:0px;border-left:2px solid rgb(0,0,255);font-weight=
:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-size:10pt;font-family:a=
rial,sans-serif">-----Original Message-----<span>=C2=A0</span><br>From: &qu=
ot;Barr, Scott via Fot"<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><br>Sent: Sep 23, 202=
0 1:31 PM<span>=C2=A0</span><br>To: Amici Triumphi<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u=
><br>Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings<span>=C2=A0</span><br><br><div styl=
e=3D"margin:0px"><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibr=
i,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century Gothi=
c",sans-serif">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:=
0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century Gothic&=
quot;,sans-serif">I=E2=80=99ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trail=
er for a few years now.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s 14 feet of =E2=80=9Cgarage=E2=80=
=9D space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridg=
e, kitchen area).=C2=A0 All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about =
9,500 lbs.=C2=A0 I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue =
weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, =
but not too bad.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-si=
ze:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-=
family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></=
div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"=
><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-=
serif">I=E2=80=99ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package p=
utting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375=
hp and 470 ft lb torque.=C2=A0 I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a=
sway control strut.=C2=A0 And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with=
the extra load.=C2=A0 Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fi=
ne.=C2=A0 But when it=E2=80=99s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy,=
wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck=E2=80=99s automatic trailer =
sway alarm (it=E2=80=99s a big baby=E2=80=A6).<u></u><u></u></span></div><d=
iv style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Century Gothic",sans-serif">So I=E2=80=99ve been trying to determi=
ne whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable diffe=
rence in the towing performance.=C2=A0 An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier=
than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.=C2=A0 Is that enough to =
make a noticeable difference?=C2=A0 Are there other factors that would make=
it that much better than an F-150?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D=
"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:=
Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century=
Gothic",sans-serif">The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed tra=
ns makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) =
=E2=80=93 and it=E2=80=99s what I drive all winter.=C2=A0 The F-250 Super D=
uty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly dail=
y driver (I assume).=C2=A0 Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to =
paid off and I=E2=80=99d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up t=
o the F-250.=C2=A0 Which is all to say that the towing performance improvem=
ent would need to be considerable before I would make the move.=C2=A0<u></u=
><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Ca=
libri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century G=
othic",sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div><div style=3D"marg=
in:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">What say you, t=
owing brain trust?=C2=A0 Is it worth the move?<u></u><u></u></span></div><d=
iv style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Century Gothic",sans-serif">Scott (B.)<u></u><u></u></span></div><=
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