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A Renault Alpine is not the usual towcar,but it served me well for 240,000k=
ms, and I used it for towing a trailer for some years. At race week-ends, I=
stowed it full of spares and did sleep in it (the passenger seats were rem=
oved).=20
It is a A610, with a turbo 3 litres 250 bhp, rear engined and of course rea=
r drive.(same specs as the Porsche911 of that era, only more comfortable an=
d quiet) It was a stable configuration. Once in Germany, the police arreste=
d me for speeding, importing 70 litres of petrol and overtaking where it wa=
s not allowed. Only the ovetaking was fined, because the speedometer of the=
ir car was not an official device and I had a receipt for the fuel, confirm=
ing that it was bought in Germany (Germany has some petrol stations where f=
uel of 102 RON is sold).=20
Marcel=20
Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Aan: "Ponostyle" <ponobill@gmail.com>, "Mike Jackson" <grandwazoo@earthlink=
.net>=20
Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Verzonden: Donderdag 24 september 2020 03:55:22=20
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings=20
An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an =E2=
=80=9903 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and frame=
and it=E2=80=99s been a great truck since. That was the last year of produ=
ction for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser truck are th=
e brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully loaded and has bee=
n trouble free after sorting a few things out that resulted when it came to=
a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but not as sudden as the vehicle ahea=
d of it)=20
Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24=E2=80=99 enclosed d=
ual axle trailer. I also use a 34=E2=80=99 Ford based V-10 powered F-550 ch=
assis motorhome when going to races. It=E2=80=99s a =E2=80=9999 we ordered =
new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has ~68K on it.=20
Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a 4=E2=80=9D=
SS system which added power and mpg. Not noisy!=20
The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with Fluid Fil=
m, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of the few effect=
ive defenses against the rust in the Northeast winters.=20
Russ=20
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fo=
t=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 PM=20
To: Mike Jackson=20
Cc: Amici Triumphi=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings=20
I=E2=80=99d say =E2=80=9Cwho buys F250=E2=80=9Ds?? The cost difference for =
an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of orderi=
ng. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it=E2=80=99s the second F350 I=
=E2=80=99ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would hav=
e required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is=
=E2=80=99t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed m=
y truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came =
right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn=E2=80=99t have all the fancy =
shit my previous one had. But it=E2=80=99s a MUCH better truck, though I ca=
n=E2=80=99t park it for shit. It=E2=80=99s a twin cab with an eight foot be=
d. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it=E2=80=99s 22=E2=80=99. Hook it up=
to Fritz, my 34=E2=80=99 Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it=E2=80=99s a solid=
city block.=20
But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in =
parking lots=E2=80=94they don=E2=80=99t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel.=
Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if =
there aren=E2=80=99t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accele=
rator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65=E2=80=94and you=E2=80=99re gol=
d.=20
My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.=20
On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.team=
.net | fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
I realize everyone has their own preferred answer. That said:=20
I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new. Heck, we've killed two=
trailers in that time. It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long=
as we dont have any more races cancelled. It has a swaybar hitch that help=
s but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a=
bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.=20
It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators. =
I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.=
=20
Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban. An uphill departure from a fuel or lun=
ch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds. The=
F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.=20
And yes, it's my around town daily driver.=20
I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I shoul=
d consider a dually. His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I=
liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer. Shortly=
after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fend=
ers from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.=20
Just my experience.=20
Mike=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"=20
Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM=20
To: Amici Triumphi=20
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings=20
Hi all,=20
I=E2=80=99ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years=
now. It=E2=80=99s 14 feet of =E2=80=9Cgarage=E2=80=9D space in the back an=
d 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area). All in=
, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs. I load the trailer =
so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a littl=
e over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.=20
I=E2=80=99ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting =
towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and =
470 ft lb torque. I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control=
strut. And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load. Ge=
nerally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine. But when it=E2=80=99s=
windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to se=
t off the truck=E2=80=99s automatic trailer sway alarm (it=E2=80=99s a big =
baby=E2=80=A6).=20
So I=E2=80=99ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 supe=
r duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance. An F=
-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both =
trucks. Is that enough to make a noticeable difference? Are there other fac=
tors that would make it that much better than an F-150?=20
The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street=
car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) =E2=80=93 and it=E2=80=99s=
what I drive all winter. The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappi=
er mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume). Not to ment=
ion that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I=E2=80=99d be taking on =
another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250. Which is all to say that =
the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I w=
ould make the move.=20
What say you, towing brain trust? Is it worth the move?=20
Scott (B.)=20
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XQxXn5XvYAX_x92Nn&_nc_ht=3Dscontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=3Deb309e540f1e4498=
76b9fc668b4533f2&oe=3D5F90E9EA" data-mce-src=3D"https://scontent-bru2-1=
.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/10842138_10204274185714033_4924258384272217367_o.jp=
g?_nc_cat=3D100&_nc_sid=3Dcdbe9c&_nc_ohc=3DYEXQxXn5XvYAX_x92Nn&=
_nc_ht=3Dscontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=3Deb309e540f1e449876b9fc668b4533f2&o=
e=3D5F90E9EA"><!--EndFragment--> </div><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__">A R=
enault Alpine is not the usual towcar,but it served me well for 240,000kms,=
and I used it for towing a trailer for some years. At race week-ends, I st=
owed it full of spares and did sleep in it (the passenger seats were remove=
d).</div><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__">It is a A610, with a turbo 3 litr=
es 250 bhp, rear engined and of course rear drive.(same specs as the Porsch=
e911 of that era, only more comfortable and quiet) It was a stable configur=
ation. Once in Germany, the police arrested me for speeding, importing 70 l=
itres of petrol and overtaking where it was not allowed. Only the ovetaking=
was fined, because the speedometer of their car was not an official device=
and I had a receipt for the fuel, confirming that it was bought in Germany=
(Germany has some petrol stations where fuel of 102 RON is sold).&nb=
sp;</div><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__">Marcel </div><div data-marke=
r=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Aan: <=
/b>"Ponostyle" <ponobill@gmail.com>, "Mike Jackson" <grandwazoo@ea=
rthlink.net><br><b>Cc: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Verzon=
den: </b>Donderdag 24 september 2020 03:55:22<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot=
] Tow Vehicle Musings<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_=
TEXT__"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif';color:#1f497d">An F-350 =
4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an =E2=80=9903 I=
bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and frame and it=E2=
=80=99s been a great truck since. That was the last year of production for =
the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser truck are the brakes; =
axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully loaded and has been trouble =
free after sorting a few things out that resulted when it came to a sudden =
stop prior to my purchase. (but not as sudden as the vehicle ahead of it)</=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'=
calibri' , 'sans-serif';color:#1f497d">Incredible torque and brakes up to t=
he task. I tow a 24=E2=80=99 enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34=E2=
=80=99 Ford based V-10 powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races.=
It=E2=80=99s a =E2=80=9999 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The =
F-350 now has ~68K on it.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif';color:#1f497d">Not cats;=
no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a 4=E2=80=9DSS system=
which added power and mpg. Not noisy!</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif';color:#1f49=
7d"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif';color:#1f497d">The chassis of the f-350=
is treated every year before winter with Fluid Film, a rust preventive lan=
olin product. Great stuff and one of the few effective defenses against the=
rust in the Northeast winters.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif';color:#1f497d">&nb=
sp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fam=
ily:'calibri' , 'sans-serif';color:#1f497d">Russ</span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif';c=
olor:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:so=
lid #b5c4df 1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'tahoma' , 'sans-serif'">From:</span></b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'tahoma' , 'sans-serif'"> Fot [ma=
ilto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ponostyle via Fot<br><=
b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Jackso=
n<br><b>Cc:</b> Amici Triumphi<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Mus=
ings</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">I=E2=80=99d say =E2=80=9Cwho buys F250=E2=80=9Ds?? The cost differe=
nce for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead o=
f ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it=E2=80=99s the secon=
d F350 I=E2=80=99ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that w=
ould have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the=
cab is=E2=80=99t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I n=
eeded my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new on=
e came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn=E2=80=99t have all the=
fancy shit my previous one had. But it=E2=80=99s a MUCH better truck, thou=
gh I can=E2=80=99t park it for shit. It=E2=80=99s a twin cab with an eight =
foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it=E2=80=99s 22=E2=80=99. Hoo=
k it up to Fritz, my 34=E2=80=99 Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it=E2=80=99s =
a solid city block. </p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">But the diesel engine is so quiet that people ste=
p right in front of me in parking lots=E2=80=94they don=E2=80=99t hear me c=
oming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. Wit=
h the trailer I get 16 if there aren=E2=80=99t a lot of hills to climb. Kee=
p your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65=E2=
=80=94and you=E2=80=99re gold. </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&=
nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My next truck will be a maxed ou=
t cybertruck. </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5p=
t;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 P=
M, Mike Jackson via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wr=
ote:</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:'arial' , 'sans-serif'">I r=
ealize everyone has their own preferred answer. That said:</span></p>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:'ari=
al' , 'sans-serif'">I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.&nb=
sp; Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time. It'll hit 400K mile=
s before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.&=
nbsp; It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still=
cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it betw=
een the whites.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:9.5pt;font-family:'arial' , 'sans-serif'"> </span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:'ari=
al' , 'sans-serif'">It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC syste=
ms and alternators. I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear sea=
t of our crew cab model.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:'arial' , 'sans-serif'"> </span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-fa=
mily:'arial' , 'sans-serif'">Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban. An =
uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very lit=
tle movement for a few seconds. The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "=
go" and it does.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:'arial' , 'sans-serif'"> </span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:'ar=
ial' , 'sans-serif'">And yes, it's my around town daily driver.</span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family=
:'arial' , 'sans-serif'"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:'arial' , 'sans-serif'">I recal=
l asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consi=
der a dually. His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I =
liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer. Sh=
ortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear=
fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.</span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-fam=
ily:'arial' , 'sans-serif'"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:'arial' , 'sans-serif'">Just=
my experience.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin=
-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:'arial' , 'sans-se=
rif'">Mike </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12=
pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'arial' , 'sans-serif'">-----=
Original Message-----<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><br=
>From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </s=
pan><br>Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nb=
sp;</span><br>To: Amici Triumphi<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> =
;</span><br>Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings<span class=3D"apple-converte=
d-space"> </span></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:'century gothic' , 'sans-serif'">Hi all,</span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif'"></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:'century gothic' , 'sans-serif'"> </span><span style=3D"font-size=
:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif'"></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'century gothic' ,=
'sans-serif'">I=E2=80=99ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer =
for a few years now. It=E2=80=99s 14 feet of =E2=80=9Cgarage=E2=80=9D=
space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, =
kitchen area). All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,5=
00 lbs. I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue wei=
ght, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but=
not too bad.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , '=
sans-serif'"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10pt;font-family:'century gothic' , 'sans-serif'"> </span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif'"></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family=
:'century gothic' , 'sans-serif'">I=E2=80=99ve been towing with a 2017 F-15=
0, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 t=
win turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque. I use a good weig=
ht-distributing hitch and a sway control strut. And I added Air Lift =
air suspension to help with the extra load. Generally speaking, the F=
-150 has been doing just fine. But when it=E2=80=99s windy the traile=
r gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck=
=E2=80=99s automatic trailer sway alarm (it=E2=80=99s a big baby=E2=80=A6).=
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif'">=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;=
font-family:'century gothic' , 'sans-serif'"> </span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif'"></span></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'century got=
hic' , 'sans-serif'">So I=E2=80=99ve been trying to determine whether movin=
g up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the tow=
ing performance. An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, =
depending on specs of both trucks. Is that enough to make a noticeabl=
e difference? Are there other factors that would make it that much be=
tter than an F-150?</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibr=
i' , 'sans-serif'"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'century gothic' , 'sans-serif'"> </spa=
n><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif'"></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-=
family:'century gothic' , 'sans-serif'">The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 an=
d 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (abou=
t 19 average) =E2=80=93 and it=E2=80=99s what I drive all winter. The=
F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less=
friendly daily driver (I assume). Not to mention that my F-150 is pr=
etty close to paid off and I=E2=80=99d be taking on another boatload of deb=
t to move up to the F-250. Which is all to say that the towing perfor=
mance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the mov=
e. </span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-=
serif'"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10pt;font-family:'century gothic' , 'sans-serif'"> </span><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif'"></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'cen=
tury gothic' , 'sans-serif'">What say you, towing brain trust? Is it =
worth the move?</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' ,=
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