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An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an =
=E2=80=9903 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and =
frame and it=E2=80=99s been a great truck since. That was the last year =
of production for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser =
truck are the brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully =
loaded and has been trouble free after sorting a few things out that =
resulted when it came to a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but not as =
sudden as the vehicle ahead of it)
Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24=E2=80=99 =
enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34=E2=80=99 Ford based V-10 =
powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races. It=E2=80=99s a =
=E2=80=9999 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has =
~68K on it.
Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a =
4=E2=80=9DSS system which added power and mpg. Not noisy!
=20
The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with Fluid =
Film, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of the few =
effective defenses against the rust in the Northeast winters.
=20
Russ
=20
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ponostyle via =
Fot
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 PM
To: Mike Jackson
Cc: Amici Triumphi
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
=20
I=E2=80=99d say =E2=80=9Cwho buys F250=E2=80=9Ds?? The cost difference =
for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of =
ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it=E2=80=99s the =
second F350 I=E2=80=99ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil =
leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather =
that removing the cab is=E2=80=99t the worst job in to world, but all =
this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and =
got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) =
and didn=E2=80=99t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But =
it=E2=80=99s a MUCH better truck, though I can=E2=80=99t park it for =
shit. It=E2=80=99s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in =
REALLY long. I think it=E2=80=99s 22=E2=80=99. Hook it up to Fritz, my =
34=E2=80=99 Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it=E2=80=99s a solid city =
block.=20
=20
But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me =
in parking lots=E2=80=94they don=E2=80=99t hear me coming. Weird for a =
Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I =
get 16 if there aren=E2=80=99t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot =
off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65=E2=80=94and =
you=E2=80=99re gold.=20
=20
My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.=20
=20
=20
On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
=20
I realize everyone has their own preferred answer. That said:
I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new. Heck, we've killed =
two trailers in that time. It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 =
as long as we dont have any more races cancelled. It has a swaybar =
hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a =
upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
=20
It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and =
alternators. I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our =
crew cab model.
=20
Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban. An uphill departure from a fuel or =
lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few =
seconds. The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
=20
And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
=20
I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I =
should consider a dually. His reply was that I should only buy such a =
thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel =
trailer. Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with =
broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite =
wide enough.
=20
Just my experience.
Mike=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"=20
Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM=20
To: Amici Triumphi=20
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings=20
Hi all,
=20
I=E2=80=99ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few =
years now. It=E2=80=99s 14 feet of =E2=80=9Cgarage=E2=80=9D space in =
the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen =
area). All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs. I =
load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is =
technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too =
bad.
=20
I=E2=80=99ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package =
putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with =
375hp and 470 ft lb torque. I use a good weight-distributing hitch and =
a sway control strut. And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with =
the extra load. Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine. =
But when it=E2=80=99s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, =
wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck=E2=80=99s automatic =
trailer sway alarm (it=E2=80=99s a big baby=E2=80=A6).
=20
So I=E2=80=99ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 =
super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing =
performance. An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, =
depending on specs of both trucks. Is that enough to make a noticeable =
difference? Are there other factors that would make it that much better =
than an F-150?
=20
The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice =
street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) =E2=80=93 and =
it=E2=80=99s what I drive all winter. The F-250 Super Duty will get =
considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver =
(I assume). Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off =
and I=E2=80=99d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the =
F-250. Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement =
would need to be considerable before I would make the move.=20
=20
What say you, towing brain trust? Is it worth the move?
=20
Scott (B.)
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have =
an =E2=80=9903 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip =
and frame and it=E2=80=99s been a great truck since. That was the last =
year of production for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a =
lesser truck are the brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was =
fully loaded and has been trouble free after sorting a few things out =
that resulted when it came to a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but =
not as sudden as the vehicle ahead of it)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24=E2=80=99 =
enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34=E2=80=99 Ford based V-10 =
powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races. It=E2=80=99s a =
=E2=80=9999 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has =
~68K on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a =
4=E2=80=9DSS system which added power and mpg. Not =
noisy!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with =
Fluid Film, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of =
the few effective defenses against the rust in the Northeast =
winters.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Russ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ponostyle =
via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Jackson<br><b>Cc:</b> Amici =
Triumphi<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle =
Musings<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99d =
say =E2=80=9Cwho buys F250=E2=80=9Ds?? The cost difference for an F350 =
is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I =
tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it=E2=80=99s the second F350 =
I=E2=80=99ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would =
have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the =
cab is=E2=80=99t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I =
needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The =
new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn=E2=80=99t =
have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it=E2=80=99s a MUCH =
better truck, though I can=E2=80=99t park it for shit. It=E2=80=99s a =
twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think =
it=E2=80=99s 22=E2=80=99. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34=E2=80=99 Airstream =
Peyote Hauler, and it=E2=80=99s a solid city =
block. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step =
right in front of me in parking lots=E2=80=94they don=E2=80=99t hear me =
coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. =
With the trailer I get 16 if there aren=E2=80=99t a lot of hills to =
climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in =
cruise at 65=E2=80=94and you=E2=80=99re =
gold. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My next truck will be a maxed out =
cybertruck. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot =
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I realize =
everyone has their own preferred answer. That =
said:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I've had our =
2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new. Heck, we've killed two =
trailers in that time. It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 =
as long as we dont have any more races cancelled. It has a swaybar =
hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a =
upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the =
whites.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It's been =
quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators. I =
now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab =
model.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Previous tow =
vehicle was a Suburban. An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch =
stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few =
seconds. The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it =
does.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>And yes, it's =
my around town daily driver.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I recall =
asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should =
consider a dually. His reply was that I should only buy such a =
thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel =
trailer. Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies =
with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not =
quite wide enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Just my =
experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Mike <o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----Original=
Message-----<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br>From: =
"Barr, Scott via Fot"<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br>Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 =
PM<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br>To: Amici =
Triumphi<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br>Subject: =
[Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century =
Gothic","sans-serif"'>Hi all,</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century =
Gothic","sans-serif"'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century =
Gothic","sans-serif"'>I=E2=80=99ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler =
style trailer for a few years now. It=E2=80=99s 14 feet of =
=E2=80=9Cgarage=E2=80=9D space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the =
front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area). All in, full of =
water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs. I load the trailer =
so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a =
little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century =
Gothic","sans-serif"'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century =
Gothic","sans-serif"'>I=E2=80=99ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a =
max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin =
turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque. I use a good =
weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut. And I added =
Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load. Generally =
speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine. But when =
it=E2=80=99s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough =
sometimes to set off the truck=E2=80=99s automatic trailer sway alarm =
(it=E2=80=99s a big baby=E2=80=A6).</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century =
Gothic","sans-serif"'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>So =
I=E2=80=99ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 =
super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing =
performance. An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, =
depending on specs of both trucks. Is that enough to make a =
noticeable difference? Are there other factors that would make it =
that much better than an F-150?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century =
Gothic","sans-serif"'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>The =
F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street =
car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) =E2=80=93 and =
it=E2=80=99s what I drive all winter. The F-250 Super Duty will =
get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily =
driver (I assume). Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to =
paid off and I=E2=80=99d be taking on another boatload of debt to move =
up to the F-250. Which is all to say that the towing performance =
improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the =
move. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century =
Gothic","sans-serif"'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
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Gothic","sans-serif"'>What say you, towing brain trust? Is it =
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