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Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
From: Larry Young via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 12:58:09 -0500
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I don't know the situation now with 1/2 ton diesels, but that would be 
key to my decision. My setup was not that heavy. I towed with an 5.4L 
Expedition, then with a BMW X5 diesel. It made all the difference in the 
world.
  - Larry

On 9/23/2020 12:31 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years 
> now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in 
> the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of 
> water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I 
> have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a 
> little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting 
> towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp 
> and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a 
> sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with 
> the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just 
> fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, 
> wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway 
> alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super 
> duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance. 
> An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs 
> of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are 
> there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice 
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what 
> I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably 
> crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  
> Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be 
> taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is 
> all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be 
> considerable before I would make the move.
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
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    I don't know the situation now with 1/2 ton diesels, but that would
    be key to my decision. My setup was not that heavy. I towed with an
    5.4L Expedition, then with a BMW X5 diesel. It made all the
    difference in the world.<br>
     - Larry<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/23/2020 12:31 PM, Barr, Scott via
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century
            Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I?ve been towing a
            24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s
            14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in
            the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in,
            full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I
            load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue
            weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit
            of the truck, but not too bad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century
            Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I?ve been towing with a
            2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity
            at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and
            470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch
            and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air
            suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking,
            the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the
            trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes
            to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a
            big baby?).
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century
            Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">So I?ve been trying to
            determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would
            make an appreciable difference in the towing performance. 
            An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150,
            depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a
            noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would
            make it that much better than an F-150?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century
            Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The F-150 with the twin
            turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car,
            with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
            drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get
            considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly
            daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is
            pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another
            boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to
            say that the towing performance improvement would need to be
            considerable before I would make the move. 
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century
            Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">What say you, towing
            brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century
            Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Scott 
(B.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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