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0.172"???
Seems rather tiny...
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 08:17 Ron Soave via Spridgets <
spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
> I made a =E2=80=9Cgauge=E2=80=9D a few years ago after the late great Pau=
l A and I talked
> about this. .172=E2=80=9D was the magic number.
>
> Ron Soave
>
> On Jul 10, 2021, at 10:24 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hi Phil,
>
> 3/8" movement at the slave should be enough. Here is a video that I made
> a couple of years ago that shows a properly working clutch on a 1275.
>
> Rick
>
> <Video.MOV>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2021, at 11:08 PM, Phil Sarikas via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> Well, Sadly it took longer that I had hoped as my ezbleed failed
> catastrophically and created quite the mess. I was unable to bleed it the
> classic way and now own a harbor freight bleeder and have what feels like=
a
> proper pedal. That bind said, I measure 3/8 of and inch of travel at the
> slave cylinder and 3/4 of and inch of movement at the master cylinder.
> Based on my understood diameters of 0.7 inch diameter for the master and
> 1.0 on the slave, this movement is within my limited ability to measure
> displacement at each end.
>
> Overnight I will see if I can get a reasonable view of the throw out
> bearing
>
> Any thoughts on where to look next? Time to get and adapter to used the
> smaller cylinder from the 1098? Has that been done by anyone who can sha=
re
> how they did it?
>
> Thanks, Phil
>
> On Jul 5, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Phil Sarikas <psarikas@msn.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF Great question on the movement distance. I did not measure it =
and at
> this moment the slave cylinder is on the bench either awaiting replacemen=
t
> or a new seal in it. I am not sure what you mean by return spring, I did
> reuse the clips that hold it to the clutch fork. If necessary , I will pu=
t
> the slave cylinder back in as soon as I can.
>
> Thanks, Phil
>
> On Jul 5, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Jim Seippel <aseippel@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> When you push the clutch one time to the bottom of the pedal, how far due=
s
> the slave cylinder rod travel? Did you put a return spring on the release
> bearing arm?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From:* Spridgets <spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net> * On Behalf Of *Phil
> Sarikas via Spridgets
> *Sent:* Monday, July 05, 2021 12:45 PM
> *To:* spridgets@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Spridgets] Need help with my 67 Sprite clutch
>
>
>
> I need the help of this group to get my clutch working as well as can be.
> The car is any early 67 sprite with a 1275 and the standard ribcage
> transmission. At this point, everything in the hydraulic system has been
> replaced over the 20 years I have owned the car.
>
>
>
> Over the winter/spring, I had the engine out and did some work to reduce
> the overall oil leaks and did replace the needle bearings in the
> transmission, and a new throwout bearing but nothing that opened up the
> clutch hydraulic system.
>
>
>
> Put it all back together and went for a drive and the clutch was clearly
> not working correctly, I could get it to shift but it often required me t=
o
> pump the clutch several times to get it to shift correctly and could only
> get it into reverse if I went to the path of turning off the motor and
> restarting it in reverse. Not a place I can stay. I bled it as complete=
ly
> as I could with my EZ-Bleed and tried it again. I wish I could say it wa=
s
> better, but no real change.
>
>
>
> I have pulled the slave cylinder, no signs of leaks, and no real signs of
> pitting in the cylinder, and I was going to rebuild it as well as the
> master but turns that my box of parts has 2 seal kits for the master
> cylinder, and none for the slave cylinder. As I wait for the local shop =
to
> open on Tuesday, I looked around on this site and others, and it seems th=
at
> some have successfully applied the smaller cylinder from a 1098 on the
> 1275, same transmission, bolts up but needs a shorter pin, but how does t=
he
> hydraulic part work? There is no equivalent rubber pipe on the earlier
> cars? I like the rubber connection so I would need some work of an adapt=
er
> to cover from what appears to be a 7/16 fine thread (20?) on the pipe
> (adaptor would need to be female) To a 3/8 fine (24?) On the 1098 slave
> cylinder (adaptor would need to be male). Is there such an adapter off t=
he
> shelf?
>
>
>
> Is there a downside to the smaller diameter slave cylinder other than
> perhaps a bit more force to move the pedal? I did check with a camera, I
> am getting movement as soon as the clutch pedal is depressed, just not
> enough movement to fully disengage the engine from the transmission.
>
>
>
> Open to any and all input!
>
>
>
> Thanks, Phil
>
>
>
> Thanks, Phil
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">0.172"???<div dir=3D"auto">Seems rather tiny...</div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 08:17 Ron Soave via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:=
spridgets@autox.team.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I made a =E2=80=9Cgauge=E2=
=80=9D a few years ago after the late great Paul A and I talked about this.=
.172=E2=80=9D was the magic number.=C2=A0<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Ron Soav=
e</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 10, 2021, at 1=
0:24 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team=
.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>>=
wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Phil,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">3/8" movement at the slave should be enough.=C2=A0 Here is =
a video that I made a couple of years ago that shows a properly working clu=
tch on a 1275.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div><Video.MOV></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
>On Jul 10, 2021, at 11:08 PM, Phil Sarikas via Spridgets <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:spridgets@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">spridge=
ts@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div dir=3D"ltr">Well, =C2=A0 Sadly it took longer that I had hoped as my e=
zbleed failed catastrophically and created quite the mess. I was unable to =
bleed it the classic way and now own a harbor freight bleeder and have what=
feels like a proper pedal.=C2=A0 That bind
said, I measure 3/8 of and inch of travel at the slave cylinder and 3/4 of=
and inch of movement at the master cylinder. Based on my understood diamet=
ers of 0.7 inch diameter for the master and 1.0 on the slave, this movement=
is within my limited ability to
measure displacement at each end.=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Overnight I will see if I can get a reasonable view of the=
throw out bearing</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Any thoughts on where to look next?=C2=A0 Time to get and =
adapter to used the smaller cylinder from the 1098?=C2=A0 Has that been don=
e by anyone who can share how they did it?<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks, Phil</div>
<div id=3D"m_-7978097081897157848AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-7978097081897157848AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">On Jul 5, =
2021, at 7:54 PM, Phil Sarikas <<a href=3D"mailto:psarikas@msn.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">psarikas@msn.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF Great question on the movement distance.=C2=A0 I=
did not measure it and at this moment the slave cylinder is on the bench e=
ither awaiting replacement or a new seal in it. I am not sure what you mean=
by return spring, I did reuse the clips that hold
it to the clutch fork. If necessary , I will put the slave cylinder back i=
n as soon as I can. =C2=A0<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks, Phil</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 5, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Jim Seippel <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:aseippel@austin.rr.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">a=
seippel@austin.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
=20
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif">When you push the clutch one time to the bottom of the pedal, how far =
dues the slave cylinder rod travel? Did you put a return spring on the rele=
ase bearing arm?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif">Jim<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridge=
ts-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">spridgets-b=
ounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Phil Sarikas via Spridgets<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 05, 2021 12:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"noreferrer">spridgets@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Spridgets] Need help with my 67 Sprite clutch<u></u><u></u=
></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica Neue",serif">I need the help of this group to get my clutch wo=
rking as well as can be.=C2=A0 The car is any early 67 sprite with a 1275 a=
nd the standard ribcage transmission.=C2=A0 At this point,
everything in the hydraulic system has been replaced over the 20 years I h=
ave owned the car. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-stretch:normal;min-height:12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-stretch:normal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;=
font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">Over the winter/spring, I had=
the engine out and did some work to reduce the overall oil leaks and did r=
eplace the needle
bearings in the transmission, and a new throwout bearing but nothing that =
opened up the clutch hydraulic system. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-stretch:normal;min-height:12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-stretch:normal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;=
font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">Put it all back together and =
went for a drive and the clutch was clearly not working correctly, I could =
get it to shift
but it often required me to pump the clutch several times to get it to shi=
ft correctly and could only get it into reverse if I went to the path of tu=
rning off the motor and restarting it in reverse.=C2=A0 Not a place I can s=
tay.=C2=A0 I bled it as completely as I could
with my EZ-Bleed and tried it again.=C2=A0 I wish I could say it was bette=
r, but no real change. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-stretch:normal;min-height:12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-stretch:normal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;=
font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">I have pulled the slave cylin=
der, no signs of leaks, and no real signs of pitting in the cylinder, and I=
was going to
rebuild it as well as the master but turns that my box of parts has 2 seal=
kits for the master cylinder, and none for the slave cylinder.=C2=A0 As I =
wait for the local shop to open on Tuesday, I looked around on this site an=
d others, and it seems that some have
successfully applied the smaller cylinder from a 1098 on the 1275, same tr=
ansmission, bolts up but needs a shorter pin, but how does the hydraulic pa=
rt work?=C2=A0 There is no equivalent rubber pipe on the earlier cars?=C2=
=A0 I like the rubber connection so I would
need some work of an adapter to cover from what appears to be a=C2=A07/16=
=C2=A0fine thread (20?) on the pipe (adaptor would need to be female) To a =
3/8 fine (24?) On the 1098 slave cylinder (adaptor would need to be male).=
=C2=A0 Is there such an adapter off the shelf? =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-stretch:normal;min-height:12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-stretch:normal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;=
font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">Is there a downside to the sm=
aller diameter slave cylinder other than perhaps a bit more force to move t=
he pedal?=C2=A0 I did
check with a camera, I am getting movement as soon as the clutch pedal is =
depressed, just not enough movement to fully disengage the engine from the =
transmission. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-stretch:normal;min-height:12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-stretch:normal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;=
font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">Open to any and all input!<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-stretch:normal;min-height:12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica Neue"=
;,serif">Thanks, Phil<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, Phil<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
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