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I made a =E2=80=9Cgauge=E2=80=9D a few years ago after the late great Paul A=
and I talked about this. .172=E2=80=9D was the magic number.=20
Ron Soave
> On Jul 10, 2021, at 10:24 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hi Phil,
>=20
> 3/8" movement at the slave should be enough. Here is a video that I made a=
couple of years ago that shows a properly working clutch on a 1275.
>=20
> Rick
>=20
> <Video.MOV>
>=20
>=20
>>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 11:08 PM, Phil Sarikas via Spridgets <spridgets@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Well, Sadly it took longer that I had hoped as my ezbleed failed catast=
rophically and created quite the mess. I was unable to bleed it the classic w=
ay and now own a harbor freight bleeder and have what feels like a proper pe=
dal. That bind said, I measure 3/8 of and inch of travel at the slave cylin=
der and 3/4 of and inch of movement at the master cylinder. Based on my unde=
rstood diameters of 0.7 inch diameter for the master and 1.0 on the slave, t=
his movement is within my limited ability to measure displacement at each en=
d.=20
>>=20
>> Overnight I will see if I can get a reasonable view of the throw out bear=
ing
>>=20
>> Any thoughts on where to look next? Time to get and adapter to used the s=
maller cylinder from the 1098? Has that been done by anyone who can share h=
ow they did it?
>>=20
>> Thanks, Phil
>>=20
>>> On Jul 5, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Phil Sarikas <psarikas@msn.com> wrote:
>>> =EF=BB=BF Great question on the movement distance. I did not measure it=
and at this moment the slave cylinder is on the bench either awaiting repla=
cement or a new seal in it. I am not sure what you mean by return spring, I d=
id reuse the clips that hold it to the clutch fork. If necessary , I will pu=
t the slave cylinder back in as soon as I can. =20
>>>=20
>>> Thanks, Phil
>>>=20
>>>> On Jul 5, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Jim Seippel <aseippel@austin.rr.com> wrote:=
>>>>=20
>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>> When you push the clutch one time to the bottom of the pedal, how far d=
ues the slave cylinder rod travel? Did you put a return spring on the releas=
e bearing arm?
>>>> Jim
>>>> =20
>>>> From: Spridgets <spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Sa=
rikas via Spridgets
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2021 12:45 PM
>>>> To: spridgets@autox.team.net
>>>> Subject: [Spridgets] Need help with my 67 Sprite clutch
>>>> =20
>>>> I need the help of this group to get my clutch working as well as can b=
e. The car is any early 67 sprite with a 1275 and the standard ribcage tran=
smission. At this point, everything in the hydraulic system has been replac=
ed over the 20 years I have owned the car. =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Over the winter/spring, I had the engine out and did some work to reduc=
e the overall oil leaks and did replace the needle bearings in the transmiss=
ion, and a new throwout bearing but nothing that opened up the clutch hydrau=
lic system. =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Put it all back together and went for a drive and the clutch was clearl=
y not working correctly, I could get it to shift but it often required me to=
pump the clutch several times to get it to shift correctly and could only g=
et it into reverse if I went to the path of turning off the motor and restar=
ting it in reverse. Not a place I can stay. I bled it as completely as I c=
ould with my EZ-Bleed and tried it again. I wish I could say it was better,=
but no real change. =20
>>>> =20
>>>> I have pulled the slave cylinder, no signs of leaks, and no real signs o=
f pitting in the cylinder, and I was going to rebuild it as well as the mast=
er but turns that my box of parts has 2 seal kits for the master cylinder, a=
nd none for the slave cylinder. As I wait for the local shop to open on Tue=
sday, I looked around on this site and others, and it seems that some have s=
uccessfully applied the smaller cylinder from a 1098 on the 1275, same trans=
mission, bolts up but needs a shorter pin, but how does the hydraulic part w=
ork? There is no equivalent rubber pipe on the earlier cars? I like the ru=
bber connection so I would need some work of an adapter to cover from what a=
ppears to be a 7/16 fine thread (20?) on the pipe (adaptor would need to be f=
emale) To a 3/8 fine (24?) On the 1098 slave cylinder (adaptor would need to=
be male). Is there such an adapter off the shelf? =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Is there a downside to the smaller diameter slave cylinder other than p=
erhaps a bit more force to move the pedal? I did check with a camera, I am g=
etting movement as soon as the clutch pedal is depressed, just not enough mo=
vement to fully disengage the engine from the transmission. =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Open to any and all input!
>>>> =20
>>>> Thanks, Phil
>>>> =20
>>>> Thanks, Phil
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I made a =E2=80=9Cgauge=E2=80=9D a few year=
s ago after the late great Paul A and I talked about this. .172=E2=80=9D was=
the magic number. <br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Ron Soave</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 10, 2021, at 10:24 PM, Rick Fisk v=
ia Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></d=
iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"c=
ontent-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi P=
hil,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">3/8" movement at the s=
lave should be enough. Here is a video that I made a couple of years a=
go that shows a properly working clutch on a 1275.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"></div><div><Video.MOV></div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" conten=
t=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 10, 2021, at 11:08 PM, Phil Sarikas vi=
a Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></di=
v><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Well, Sadly it took longer that I had hoped as my ez=
bleed failed catastrophically and created quite the mess. I was unable to bl=
eed it the classic way and now own a harbor freight bleeder and have what fe=
els like a proper pedal. That bind
said, I measure 3/8 of and inch of travel at the slave cylinder and 3/4 of a=
nd inch of movement at the master cylinder. Based on my understood diameters=
of 0.7 inch diameter for the master and 1.0 on the slave, this movement is w=
ithin my limited ability to
measure displacement at each end. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Overnight I will see if I can get a reasonable view of the t=
hrow out bearing</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Any thoughts on where to look next? Time to get and a=
dapter to used the smaller cylinder from the 1098? Has that been done b=
y anyone who can share how they did it?<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks, Phil</div>
<div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">On Jul 5, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Phil S=
arikas <psarikas@msn.com> wrote:</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF Great question on the movement distance. I d=
id not measure it and at this moment the slave cylinder is on the bench eith=
er awaiting replacement or a new seal in it. I am not sure what you mean by r=
eturn spring, I did reuse the clips that hold
it to the clutch fork. If necessary , I will put the slave cylinder back in=
as soon as I can. <br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks, Phil</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 5, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Jim Seippel <aseipp=
el@austin.rr.com> wrote:<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if">When you push the clutch one time to the bottom of the pedal, how far du=
es the slave cylinder rod travel? Did you put a return spring on the release=
bearing arm?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Spridgets <spridgets-bounces@autox.te=
am.net> <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Phil Sarikas via Spridgets<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 05, 2021 12:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> spridgets@autox.team.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Spridgets] Need help with my 67 Sprite clutch<o:p></o:p></p=
>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Hel=
vetica Neue",serif">I need the help of this group to get my clutch work=
ing as well as can be. The car is any early 67 sprite with a 1275 and t=
he standard ribcage transmission. At this point,
everything in the hydraulic system has been replaced over the 20 years I ha=
ve owned the car. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;font-stretch: normal;m=
in-height: 12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;font-stretch: normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"=
>Over the winter/spring, I had the engine out and did some work to reduce th=
e overall oil leaks and did replace the needle
bearings in the transmission, and a new throwout bearing but nothing that o=
pened up the clutch hydraulic system. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;font-stretch: normal;m=
in-height: 12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;font-stretch: normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"=
>Put it all back together and went for a drive and the clutch was clearly no=
t working correctly, I could get it to shift
but it often required me to pump the clutch several times to get it to shif=
t correctly and could only get it into reverse if I went to the path of turn=
ing off the motor and restarting it in reverse. Not a place I can stay=
. I bled it as completely as I could
with my EZ-Bleed and tried it again. I wish I could say it was better=
, but no real change. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;font-stretch: normal;m=
in-height: 12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;font-stretch: normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"=
>I have pulled the slave cylinder, no signs of leaks, and no real signs of p=
itting in the cylinder, and I was going to
rebuild it as well as the master but turns that my box of parts has 2 seal k=
its for the master cylinder, and none for the slave cylinder. As I wai=
t for the local shop to open on Tuesday, I looked around on this site and ot=
hers, and it seems that some have
successfully applied the smaller cylinder from a 1098 on the 1275, same tra=
nsmission, bolts up but needs a shorter pin, but how does the hydraulic part=
work? There is no equivalent rubber pipe on the earlier cars? I=
like the rubber connection so I would
need some work of an adapter to cover from what appears to be a 7/16&n=
bsp;fine thread (20?) on the pipe (adaptor would need to be female) To a 3/8=
fine (24?) On the 1098 slave cylinder (adaptor would need to be male). =
; Is there such an adapter off the shelf? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;font-stretch: normal;m=
in-height: 12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"=
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;font-stretch: normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"=
>Is there a downside to the smaller diameter slave cylinder other than perha=
ps a bit more force to move the pedal? I did
check with a camera, I am getting movement as soon as the clutch pedal is d=
epressed, just not enough movement to fully disengage the engine from the tr=
ansmission. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;font-stretch: normal;m=
in-height: 12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;font-stretch: normal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"=
>Open to any and all input!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;font-stretch: normal;m=
in-height: 12px">
<span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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,serif">Thanks, Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, Phil<o:p></o:p></p>
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