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RE: [Shotimes] Nitrogen-filled tires

To: "'Jon Heese'" <shotimes@jonheese.com>, <av8r567@optonline.net>,
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Nitrogen-filled tires
From: "Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:42:46 -0500
I have been looking at one of these for grins and giggles and that is what
it does. It does it several times in a row. Suck out, fill with N2. Suck,
fill again. Eventually it get to over 98% and quits.


Paul L Fisher

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From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jon Heese
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:01 PM
To: av8r567@optonline.net; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Nitrogen-filled tires

I'm skeptical too, but here's one thing you missed:

The commercials I've heard on the radio for this say that they actually 
suck the air out of the tires and replace it with N2.

So, they could push the tire onto the rim, pop it with air if they 
wanted to, then suck (most of) the air out if it and refill it with N2.

Depending on how much vacuum they can put on the tire without the bead 
unsealing, it seems like it could get decently close to pure N2.

I'm skeptical that it actually helps anything.  Especially 
cost/benefit-wise.

Regards,
Jon Heese

av8r567@optonline.net wrote:
> I know we talked about this on the list a while back.
> 
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060731/ap_on_bi_ge/nitrogen_tires
> 
> "Skeptics will question how much can be gained by filling tires with pure
nitrogen when the air we breathe is 78 percent nitrogen."
> 
> 
> Being a skeptic (and an engineer) I will and do question this.  Correct me
if I'm wrong, but when a tire is mounted on a rim, doesn't "regular air" get
trapped inside????  Even if pure Nitrogen is used to "pop" the tire bead
onto the rim there's still "regular air" inside that will be mixed with the
Nitrogen.  Soooo, you don't end up with a tire filled with 100% Nitrogen.
The only way to ensure 100% Nitrogen inside the tire is if the tire mounting
machine were inside a sealed room filled with Nitrogen and the installer had
to wear an Oxygen mask.  Is that what the tire dealer purchases for $3,000
to $12,000 dollars? What am I missing here?
> 
> What if it's Sunday night and my tire(s) are a few psi low?  If the local
Gas 'n Sip doesn't have Nitrogen, then what good is having Nitrogen in my
tires?
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