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Re: [Fot] Independent Rear Suspension

To: "'Jason Ostrowski'" <jason@multivintage.com>, "'Dan Forgey'" <cofrog@q.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Independent Rear Suspension
From: JIm Gray via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2024 06:38:27 -0700
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Remember the test drive at around midnight at the lower RV parking lot =
after you got the trans installed, after it rained ?

I do. I got there late Thursday night and discovered Friday morning I =
had destroyed one of my trailer axles.  I managed to find an axle in =
Topeka.

Only after I was laying under the trailer on Saturday between races =
putting it in that the spring perches were wrong and I said out loud =
=E2=80=9C great, now I need a welder,

a torch and a grinder all the time thinking I was pretty screwed. I =
heard one of the spectators standing next to the car say =E2=80=9C I =
have all of that, I=E2=80=99ll be right back=E2=80=9D.

Sure enough he was in less than an hour. I moved the spring perches =
where they needed to be and continued on.

Great folks in Topeka.

=20

Jim  g

=20

From: Jason Ostrowski <jason@multivintage.com>=20
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 10:10 PM
To: Dan Forgey <cofrog@q.com>
Cc: toodamnfunky@comcast.net; FOT@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Independent Rear Suspension

=20

Ah, The Kastner Cup at Heartland Park.

One of my favorite racing weekends of all time, a real treat.

My first Kastner Cup.

I barely made it to the track. I had stayed up for days straight trying =
to get my car ready. Upon arrival I was greeted with the warmth and =
friendship of several the Great Triumph hero=E2=80=99s I had, until =
then, only read about in the funny pages.

My car broke in the first session.

A spectator, a GT6 guy named Brad brought me a moss covered barn find =
transmission that we installed under the Kansas moonlight.

The next day I was racing again.

I have this distinct memory of Sam Halkias screaming up behind me in the =
Catawamba Marina TR6. Looking back through my wink mirror he waved, =
paused and signaled to me with facial expressions and hand signals that =
only us auto racers could understand saying =E2=80=9Cnice job little =
buddy, here I come; I=E2=80=99m now going to fly by you on your left =
side=E2=80=9D.

We partied, raced, bought an Ambro body and finished our first Kastner =
Cup there in Heartland Park.

When I got home, there it was, a long and personal email from Kas =
Kastner=E2=80=A6praising me, my dedication, the sound of my car, my =
driving style, and lap by lap list of how many tenths of second I was =
improving each lap in a segment of the track where he was taking =
=E2=80=9Csplits=E2=80=9D.

I couldn=E2=80=99t believe it.

It was the start of what Kas called our =E2=80=9Cunique kinship=E2=80=9D

He sure had a nice way of motivating people.

Godspeed old pals.

=20

Jason Ostrowski=20

Friendly Ghost Racing=20

1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars

=20

=20

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 4, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Dan Forgey via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =

=EF=BB=BF=20

Yea that was me.  When I revamp the suspension on it it would lift the =
rear wheel in very tight corners.  Softened the rear sway one adjustment =
and all was well.

=20

On Mon, 4 Mar, 2024 at 12:40 PM, JAMES GRAY via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =

=20

To: charly; charly via fot

That black 4A was owned by Dan Forgey and is now owned by Mark Eden.
I have an IRS chassis on my '64 and use a quaife and running LOTS of =
torque and never break an inside wheel loose but in Colorado we can run =
the Hoosier R7/SM7 DORT slicks. That has to be factored in.
That said, an IRS rear end will almost always grip better than a live =
axle with or without a LSD.
Overly stiff rear sway bars is usually the culprit. I run 3/4" on mine. =
A locker has always been out of the question for me.

Jim G # 102


> On 03/03/2024 6:04 PM MST Charly via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
>=20
> =20
> I have always run (almost always) a LSD diff in my TR6.  I've run a =
Quaife (which I wasn't happy with) and a Trans-X with several different =
ratios.  I have no experience with a Locker,=20
> but I'd imagine it would make it a beast.
> I think the Quaife would be good for a street car, I was able to spin =
the inside tire at lower speeds while corneing with it.
> When I wasn't running a LSD, I was able to spin a tire quite often.
> Charly Mitchel=20
> TR6 #44
>=20
> On Sun 03/03/24 12:24 PM , DENNIS DELAP via Fot fot@autox.team.net =
> > A M I C I
> > This is a question that I have for those who race a TR6, TR250, or =
TR4A.
> > Are you running a limited slip differential? Seems to me I remember =
a Black 4A at the Heartland Park cup that did not
> > because it was sufficiently lowered and sprung.I=E2=80=99m =
contemplating taking the locker out of my TVR to make it nicer on
> > the street.Thanks in advance for your comments.
> > Dennis=20
> > Sent from my iPhone
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Remember the test drive at around midnight at =
the lower RV parking lot after you got the trans installed, after it =
rained ?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I do. I got there late Thursday night and =
discovered Friday morning I had destroyed one of my trailer axles.=C2=A0 =
I managed to find an axle in Topeka.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Only after I was =
laying under the trailer on Saturday between races putting it in that =
the spring perches were wrong and I said out loud =E2=80=9C great, now I =
need a welder,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>a torch and a grinder all the time thinking I =
was pretty screwed. I heard one of the spectators standing next to the =
car say =E2=80=9C I have all of that, I=E2=80=99ll be right =
back=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Sure enough he was in less than an hour. I =
moved the spring perches where they needed to be and continued =
on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Great folks in =
Topeka.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Jim =
=C2=A0g<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Jason Ostrowski &lt;jason@multivintage.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, =
March 4, 2024 10:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> Dan Forgey =
&lt;cofrog@q.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> toodamnfunky@comcast.net; =
FOT@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Independent Rear =
Suspension<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ah, The =
Kastner Cup at Heartland Park.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>One of my favorite racing weekends of all time, a real =
treat.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My first Kastner =
Cup.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I barely made it to =
the track. I had stayed up for days straight trying to get my car ready. =
Upon arrival I was greeted with the warmth and friendship of several the =
Great Triumph hero=E2=80=99s I had, until then, only read about in the =
funny pages.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My car broke =
in the first session.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A =
spectator, a GT6 guy named Brad brought me a moss covered barn find =
transmission that we installed under the Kansas =
moonlight.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The next day I =
was racing again.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have =
this distinct memory of Sam Halkias screaming up behind me in the =
Catawamba Marina TR6. Looking back through my wink mirror he waved, =
paused and signaled to me with facial expressions and hand signals that =
only us auto racers could understand saying =E2=80=9Cnice job little =
buddy, here I come; I=E2=80=99m now going to fly by you on your left =
side=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>We partied, =
raced, bought an Ambro body and finished our first Kastner Cup there in =
Heartland Park.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>When I got =
home, there it was, a long and personal email from Kas =
Kastner=E2=80=A6praising me, my dedication, the sound of my car, my =
driving style, and lap by lap list of how many tenths of second I was =
improving each lap in a segment of the track where he was taking =
=E2=80=9Csplits=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I couldn=E2=80=99t believe =
it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>It was the start of =
what Kas called our =E2=80=9Cunique =
kinship=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>He sure =
had a nice way of motivating people.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Godspeed old pals.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jason Ostrowski&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Friendly Ghost =
Racing&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>1969 Triumph =
GT6+ racecars<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent =
from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Mar 4, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Dan Forgey =
via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>=EF=BB=BF</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:1.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.5pt;ma=
rgin-left:0in'>Yea that was me.&nbsp; When I revamp the suspension on it =
it would lift the rear wheel in very tight corners.&nbsp; Softened the =
rear sway one adjustment and all was well.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Mon, 4 Mar, 2024 at 12:40 PM, JAMES GRAY via Fot =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in =
0in 6.0pt'><div style=3D'margin-bottom:11.25pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'line-height:17.25pt;background:#F9F9F9'><span =
style=3D'color:#454545'>To: charly; charly via =
fot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>That black 4A was owned by Dan Forgey and =
is now owned by Mark Eden.<br>I have an IRS chassis on my '64 and use a =
quaife and running LOTS of torque and never break an inside wheel loose =
but in Colorado we can run the Hoosier R7/SM7 DORT slicks. That has to =
be factored in.<br>That said, an IRS rear end will almost always grip =
better than a live axle with or without a LSD.<br>Overly stiff rear sway =
bars is usually the culprit. I run 3/4&quot; on mine. A locker has =
always been out of the question for me.<br><br>Jim G # =
102<br><br><br>&gt; On 03/03/2024 6:04 PM MST Charly via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp;<br>&gt; I have always run (almost always) =
a LSD diff in my TR6. &nbsp;I've run a Quaife (which I wasn't happy =
with) and a Trans-X with several different ratios. &nbsp;I have no =
experience with a Locker, <br>&gt; but I'd imagine it would make it a =
beast.<br>&gt; I think the Quaife would be good for a street car, I was =
able to spin the inside tire at lower speeds while corneing with =
it.<br>&gt; When I wasn't running a LSD, I was able to spin a tire quite =
often.<br>&gt; Charly Mitchel <br>&gt; TR6 #44<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Sun =
03/03/24 12:24 PM , DENNIS DELAP via Fot <a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a> sent:<br>&gt; =
&gt; A M I C I<br>&gt; &gt; This is a question that I have for those who =
race a TR6, TR250, or TR4A.<br>&gt; &gt; Are you running a limited slip =
differential? Seems to me I remember a Black 4A at the Heartland Park =
cup that did not<br>&gt; &gt; because it was sufficiently lowered and =
sprung.I=E2=80=99m contemplating taking the locker out of my TVR to make =
it nicer on<br>&gt; &gt; the street.Thanks in advance for your =
comments.<br>&gt; &gt; Dennis <br>&gt; &gt; Sent from my iPhone<br>&gt; =
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