one reason to have the side windows open is that you can extract the
occupants from the car more easily if the door is damaged or if they are
unconscious. that is why i never lock my doors when driving (the doors i
have that HAVE locks, that it). arm restraints are used on track cars to
keep the limbs inside during 'undesired yaw and pitch maneuvers.
with the loudspeaker it was easier to yell at people from the trailer for
having their hands out. if you are a driver and take a passenger, please be
responsible for telling and reminding them of this.
i dont think we have to go overboard because of this one incident though. i
am more worried about the people outside the car than inside. too many
workers stand in dangerous spots and are slow getting off the track when a
car is coming. when you are resetting a cone, please look up the course
most of the time and not at the cone. those new 911 porsches, for example,
are eerily silent, but still heavy enough to sting if they hit you at 60mph.
-james c
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Kelly <lollipop@ricochet.net>
To: James Creasy <jcre@pacbell.net>
Cc: Bay Area Autocross <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: A safety question
> In the old "Council" days there was a rule that said cars must run with
> their side windows close (if they had windows). In that era, it only
> took one VW Bug rolling to bring that rule into existence. It might be a
> good addition to our 01 Supps. And something else to police, which is a
> pain. Maybe just commonsense should prevail.
> --Pat Kelly
>
> James Creasy wrote:
> >
> > during the first half of fun runs there was a person in a red jacket
taking
> > pictures on course while cars whizzed by behind him. no spotter. i
tried
> > to yell at him but i dont know if he heard me due to the wind. in any
case,
> > look out for him next time.
> >
> > the rule as i know it is that you have to keep your hands/arms inside
the
> > car... i.e. dont hang onto the door with your fingers out the window at
all.
> > you just tell them they cant do it. sorry, if you cant drive the car
safely
> > then you cant drive it on course. and it doesnt matter if was a man or
> > woman... same safety rules applies to both.
> >
> > -James Creasy
> > Slip Angle Racing www.klio.net/cobra
> > BAPOC www.klio.net/probe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Umbay <greg_umbay@yahoo.com>
> > To: Bay Area Autocross <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:54 AM
> > Subject: A safetty question
> >
> > >--0-1087535076-972319695=:54201
> > >
> > >
> > >I have a serious question regarding driver/worker safety. I would like
to
> > first say that I am not trying to bad mouth any person(s) or
> > organization(s). While working the course I noticed a driver who was
> > steering the wheel with the right hand and holding onto the door with
the
> > left hand. I radioed in asking someone to talk to that person. (I am
> > unaware if anyone went to talk to the driver) Later the same car/driver
> > came around again using the same one handed technique. I used common
sense
> > and stayed away from that car/driver, putting course work priority after
> > safety. After the run group I found that driver and mentioned that 2
hands
> > on the wheel was important for safety. The driver replied that the
car's
> > stock seat belts did not hold well and had to use one hand to hold on to
the
> > car. (I am trying not to be gender specific on purpose.) The driver's
body
> > size was small and did not fit into the car well. I suggested to adjust
the
> > seats, which was done but still a o!
> > >ne handed technique was used. I also suggested a 5 point harness. The
> > reply was "It's not my car."
> > >
> > >My question is where do we draw the line of safety?
> > >
> > >We are all volunteers and we come out to have fun. Should we or can we
> > stop a person from driving because of safety? I understand that we can
stop
> > a car for mechanical and or technical reasons. But can we stop a driver
> > based on the fact that the driver cannot sit in a car properly, risking
> > loosing control of the car?
> > >
> > >Again, I am not trying to bash or trash talk at all.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > ><P>I have a serious question regarding driver/worker safety. I
would
> > like to first say that I am not trying to bad mouth any person(s) or
> > organization(s). While working the course I noticed a driver who
was
> > steering the wheel with the right hand and holding onto the door
with
> > the left hand. I radioed in asking someone to talk to
that
> > person. (I am unaware if anyone went to talk to the
driver)
> > Later the same car/driver came around again using the same one handed
> > technique. I used common sense and stayed away from that
car/driver,
> > putting course work priority after safety. After the run group I
found
> > that driver and mentioned that 2 hands on the wheel was important for
> > safety. The driver replied that the car's stock seat belts did not
> > hold well and had to use one hand to hold on to the car. (I am
trying
> > not to be gender specific on purpose.) The driver's body size was
> > small and did not fit into the!
> > > car well. I suggested to adjust the seats, which was done but
still
> > a one handed technique was used. I also suggested a 5 point
> > harness. The reply was "It's not my car."</P>
> > ><P>My question is where do we draw the line of safety?</P>
> > ><P>We are all volunteers and we come out to have fun. Should we o
r
> > can we stop a person from driving because of safety? I understand
that
> > we can stop a car for mechanical and or technical reasons. But can
we
> > stop a driver based on the fact that the driver cannot sit in a car
> > properly, risking loosing control of the car?</P>
> > ><P>Again, I am not trying to bash or trash talk at all.
> >
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