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Yeah, I know...
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:35 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
> Still, 101??? Not 100? Nobody lists a torque setting to +/- 1%
> Especially back in the day. With the old torsion-beam torque wrenches wi=
th
> a linear scale you're lucky to get +/- 5 lb-ft.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com>
> To: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2023 7:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front
> wheel bearing?
>
> It's not a misprint, unless the missing space between the zero and the el=
l
> count. It's mainly dyslexic or too-fast reading, or perhaps being more
> familiar with ft-lb convention than lb-ft that led him to see 101.
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 7:18 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <
> aljlthomson@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Wow! That definitely is a car with a broken leg! I=E2=80=99ve never done =
any work
> on an MG but I=E2=80=99ve never heard of a pre-load of 101 ft.-lbs. for f=
ront wheel
> bearings. All of our farm tractors, about 10, from a Farmall H to a Deere
> 4250, use the common specification of =E2=80=9Chand tighten to a slight d=
rag, and
> then back off to the nearest castellation=E2=80=9D. That=E2=80=99s what I=
have done on all
> of our cars and trucks over the years and it seems to work.
>
> Can someone explain the 101 ft.-lb. spec or is that just a misprint?
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *=
Don
> Hiscock
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2023 7:21 PM
> *To:* Philip Ethier
> *Cc:* Triumphs
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front
> wheel bearing?
>
> And I lost a front wheel on my TR3B at 70 mph on I-70 in 2014. I've not
> quite gotten over that episode yet, Yes, don't fool around with wheel
> bearings!
>
> The root cause of my wheel-fell-off episode was a restorer who was more
> used to MG bearing preloads than a TR3's non-preloaded bearings. He read
> this part of the Red Book service instructions as 101 lb=C2=B7ft, not 10 =
lb=C2=B7ft.
> Yikes.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7mHq3MK/0/07d96589/O/i-7mHq3MK.png
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8zPPqt3/0/1e459484/XL/i-8zPPqt3-XL.jp=
g
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wBTPGjg/0/5123f2e5/X3/i-wBTPGjg-X3.jp=
g
>
> This happened in western Ohio, not too far from Macy's Garage as it turne=
d
> out. And although Mark and Co. didn't do the work that led to the wheel
> coming off, they know my car and were able to take it into their shop tha=
t
> afternoon while I flew home.
>
> So listen to the voice of two of us with scary experiences. Take care
> with wheel bearings.
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 6:01 PM Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't mess with wheel bearings. Get it checked out. I lost a wheel on m=
y
> TR4 on the way home from the VTR in 2005.
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 5:35=E2=80=AFPM Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com>=
wrote:
>
> I have a Stag and have checked and changed various components like bottom
> ball joint and top shock mount, but am still experiencing a vibration,
> through the steering wheel, from the left front wheel only when I'm
> turning left. The car had been fitted with all new poly bushes.
> There is no vibration going straight or when turning right.
> I plan to swap the wheel with my spare, but can a bad bearing cause thes=
e
> symptoms?
> The hub rotates smoothly and there is no noise.
>
> The TR6 uses a similar vertical link setup as the Stag. The hub
> bearings are tapered.
>
>
> Sujit
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Yea=
h, I know...</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:35 AM DAVID MASSEY <<a href=
=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div> <font size=3D"3">Still, 101???=C2=A0 Not 100?=C2=A0 Nobody lists a to=
rque setting to +/- 1%=C2=A0 Especially back in the day.=C2=A0 With the old=
torsion-beam torque wrenches with a linear scale you're lucky to get +=
/- 5 lb-ft.</font><br>
</div>
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<div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Don Hiscock <<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com"; target=3D"_b=
lank">don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Alex & Janet Thomson <<a href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"=
target=3D"_blank">aljlthomson@charter.net</a>><br>
Cc: Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2023 7:28 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front=
wheel bearing?<br>
<br>
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:small">It's not a misprint, unless the missing =
space between the zero and the ell count.=C2=A0 It's mainly dyslexic or=
too-fast reading, or perhaps being more familiar with ft-lb convention tha=
n lb-ft that led him to see 101.</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 7:18 PM Alex & Janet Thomson &=
lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:al=
jlthomson@charter.net" target=3D"_blank">aljlthomson@charter.net</a>> wr=
ote:<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<div><span>Wow! That definitely is a car with a broken leg! I=E2=80=99ve ne=
ver done any work on an MG but I=E2=80=99ve never heard of a pre-load of 10=
1 ft.-lbs. for front wheel bearings. All of our farm tractors, about 10, fr=
om a Farmall H to a Deere 4250, use the common specification of =E2=80=9Cha=
nd tighten to a slight drag, and then back off to the nearest castellation=
=E2=80=9D. That=E2=80=99s what I have done on all of our cars and trucks ov=
er the years and it seems to work.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div>
<div><span>Can someone explain the 101 ft.-lb. spec or is that just a mispr=
int?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div>
<div><span>Alex Thomson<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div>
<div><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Triumphs [mailto:<a rel=3D"nofollow no=
opener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf =
Of </b>Don Hiscock<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 27, 2023=
7:21 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Philip Ethier<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc=
:</b> Triumphs<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Is this symptom I=
'm getting indicative of a bad front wheel bearing?<u></u><u></u></span=
></div>
<div><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>And I lost a front wheel on my TR3B at 70 mph on I-70 in 2014.=C2=A0 I=
've not quite gotten over that episode yet,=C2=A0 Yes, don't fool a=
round with wheel bearings!<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div>The root cause of my wheel-fell-off episode was a restorer who was mor=
e used to MG bearing preloads than a TR3's non-preloaded bearings.=C2=
=A0 He read this part of the Red Book service instructions as 101 lb=C2=B7f=
t, not 10 lb=C2=B7ft.=C2=A0 Yikes.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https:/=
/photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7mHq3MK/0/07d96589/O/i-7mHq3MK.png" target=3D"=
_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7mHq3MK/0/07d96589/O/i-7mHq3MK.=
png</a><u></u><u></u></div>
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/photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8zPPqt3/0/1e459484/XL/i-8zPPqt3-XL.jpg" target=
=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8zPPqt3/0/1e459484/XL/i-8zP=
Pqt3-XL.jpg</a><u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
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<div><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https:/=
/photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wBTPGjg/0/5123f2e5/X3/i-wBTPGjg-X3.jpg" target=
=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wBTPGjg/0/5123f2e5/X3/i-wBT=
PGjg-X3.jpg</a><u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div>This happened in western Ohio, not too far from Macy's Garage as i=
t turned out.=C2=A0 And although Mark and Co. didn't do the work that l=
ed to the wheel coming off, they know my car and were able to take it into =
their shop that afternoon while I flew home.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div>So listen to the voice of two of us with scary experiences.=C2=A0 Take=
care with wheel bearings.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
</div>
<div><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 6:01 PM Philip Ethier <<a rel=3D"nofollow n=
oopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:pethier7@gmail.com"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">pethier7@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<div>Don't mess with=C2=A0wheel bearings.=C2=A0 Get it checked out.=C2=
=A0 I lost a wheel on my TR4 on the way home from the VTR in 2005.<u></u><u=
></u></div>
</div>
<div><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 5:35=E2=80=AFPM Sujit Roy <<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphstag@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">triumphstag@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div=
>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>I have a Stag and have checked and changed various components like bot=
tom ball joint and top shock mount, but am still experiencing a vibration, =
through the steering=C2=A0wheel,=C2=A0 from the left front wheel only when =
I'm turning left. The car had been fitted with all new poly bushes.<u><=
/u><u></u></div>
<div>
<div>There is no vibration going straight or when turning right.=C2=A0<u></=
u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div>I plan to swap the wheel with my spare,=C2=A0 but can a bad bearing ca=
use these symptoms?<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div>The hub rotates smoothly and there is no noise.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div>The TR6 uses a similar vertical link setup as the Stag. The hub bearin=
gs=C2=A0are tapered.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
</div>
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<div>Sujit=C2=A0<br clear=3D"all"><u></u><u></u></div>
<div>
<div><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div>
</div>
<div>-- <u></u><u></u></div>
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<div>
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<div>Sujit Roy<br clear=3D"none">Cupertino, California<u></u><u></u></div>
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