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Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one

To: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu>
Subject: Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:53:52 -0500
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
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The tribute and honor from JonMac are very fitting.  Randall's
contributions epitomized what is best about the list and forums.

As far as the comments about being condescending and judgmental, I hope
that isn't ever me, I try not to be, but the tone intended and the tone
coveyed are not always the same,  if I miss the mark please let me know
(politely).

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 6:54 AM Reihing, Randall S. <
Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu> wrote:

> Jonmac,
>
> Thank you for this very nice, very touching tribute and deserved honour.
> As a "Marquess" I believe Randall would have been considered to be a
> Nobleman, a man who consistently demonstrated honourable behaviour and
> leadership, among other excellent attributes. This was indeed Randall, a
> good and decent man, always gracious, honorable and supportive. Randall
> freely shared his knowledge, insight and enthusiasm for all things Triump=
h
> in a way that never left anyone involved with Triumph's feeling subtly
> disparaged, or looked down on for their lack of knowledge or experience.
> Especially when one of us is confused by some mysterious Triumph ailment,
> often related to the dubious quality of Lucas devices and methodology.
>
> I truly and sadly miss Randall's emails and insight, his kindness and his
> unending thoughtful explanations. I feel like something is missing from o=
ur
> Triumph community, a true a one of a kind, who cannot be replaced.
>
> From Randall's obituary: "Close family and friends of Mr. Randall C.
> Young will gather in the Vienna Public Cemetery, (Vienna Missouri) near t=
he
> graves of his parents, for his interment at 10:30 a.m., on Tuesday, Augus=
t
> 18, 2020 by the Birmingham-Martin Funeral Home in Vienna."
>
> Randall's obituary, including the option of lighting a candle in his
> memory and leaving a message for his family is here:
> https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young
>
> I miss him.
>
> Randall Reihing
> Whitehouse, Ohio
> <https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young>
> Obituary | Randall Charles Young of Lakewood, California |
> Birmingham-Martin Funeral Home
> <https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young>
> Randall Charles Young, of Lakewood, California, was born on August 3,
> 1955, at San Antonio, Texas, the son of John Earl and Nellie Lucille
> Henderson Young, and departed this life at 111 p.m., on Thursday, July 16=
,
> 2020, in Lakewood Regional Medical Center, Lakewood, California. He had
> been in failing
> www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael
> Marr <mmarr@albiontechnical.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:13 PM
> *To:* John Macartney <John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk>
> *Cc:* triumphs@autox.team.net <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than on=
e
>
> What a nice gesture, John.
>
> Mike
>
> Michael Marr
>
> Mobile:  630-202-0065
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 12, 2020, at 16:03, John Macartney <John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques on=
 old
> Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email
> lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard
> Triumph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lists =
and never make
> contributions of their own because their memories of how and why things
> were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jad=
ed
> with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that
> group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down=
.
> It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.
>
> However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of
> techniques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars
> running and as =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord =
him some form of
> honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.
>
> Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his ne=
w
> and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He
> accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of
> thanks.
>
> Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of
> the =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard Mo=
tor Company moved to its
> site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could house th=
e
> myriad non production issues was a former three storey house that was
> covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy.
>
> For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one
> was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in t=
he
> 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t ans=
wer, the
> reply was usually on the lines of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our =
kid. Best go to
> Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=E2=80=9D
>
> Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admi=
n
> functions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua Fra=
nca within the
> company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.
>
> So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seemed =
to him to
> be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best
> company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.
>
> I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so
> many listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our deci=
sion as
> former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no
> way misplaced.
>
> I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph an=
d
> fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give google i=
mages a
> thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where t=
he
> Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I=E2=80=
=99ll post
> the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.
>
> Jonmac
>
> At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
> Lord Uxbridge:  =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D
> Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D
>
>
> On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>
> wrote:
>
> Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I
> have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they
> supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don=E2=
=80=99t know
> everything there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I ha=
ve
> asked over the years.
>
>
>
> It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to
> be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than
> most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.
> Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to
> restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was
> consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our ey=
es.
>
>
>
> Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s mantle as the TR guru=
.  Well,
> it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, people.
>
>
>
> Please let me be clear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me a frie=
ndly and
> intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traffic
> recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our
> beloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven=E2=80=99t thanked him=
 enough, I
> apologize.  Mark =E2=80=93 remind us again how to contribute.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">The tribute and honor from JonMac are very fitting.=C2=A0=
 Randall&#39;s contributions epitomized what is best about the list and for=
ums.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">As far as the=
 comments about being condescending and judgmental, I hope that isn&#39;t e=
ver me, I try not to be, but the tone intended and the tone coveyed are not=
 always the same,=C2=A0 if I miss the mark please let me know (politely).</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=
=3D"auto">TR250</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 6:54 AM Reihing, Randall S. &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu";>Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">




<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
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Jonmac,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Thank you for this very nice, very touching tribute and deserved honour. As=
 a &quot;Marquess&quot; I believe Randall would have been considered to be =
a Nobleman, a man who consistently demonstrated honourable behaviour and le=
adership, among other excellent attributes.
 This was indeed Randall, a good and decent man, always gracious, honorable=
 and supportive. Randall freely shared his knowledge, insight and enthusias=
m for all things Triumph in a way that never left anyone involved with Triu=
mph&#39;s feeling subtly disparaged,
 or looked down on for their lack of knowledge or experience. Especially wh=
en one of us is confused by some mysterious Triumph ailment, often related =
to the dubious quality of Lucas devices and methodology.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
I truly and sadly miss Randall&#39;s emails and insight, his kindness and h=
is unending thoughtful explanations. I feel like something is missing from =
our Triumph community, a true
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-co=
lor:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important">
a one of a kind, who cannot be replaced.</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255=
,255);display:inline!important"><font face=3D"Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sa=
ns-serif">From Randall&#39;s obituary: &quot;</font></span><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;font-size:15.399999618530273px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)=
;display:inline!important">Close
 family and friends of Mr. Randall C. Young will gather in the Vienna Publi=
c Cemetery, (Vienna Missouri) near the graves of his parents, for his inter=
ment at 10:30 a.m., on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 by the Birmingham-Martin Fu=
neral Home in Vienna.&quot;</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Randall&#39;s obituary, including the option of lighting a candle in his me=
mory and leaving a message for his family is here:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://=
www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young" id=3D"m_475364=
5923311575133LPlnkOWALinkPreview_0" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ht=
tps://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young</a></div>
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<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
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I miss him.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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Randall Reihing</div>
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Whitehouse, Ohio</div>
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Randall Charles Young, of Lakewood, California, was born on August 3, 1955,=
 at San Antonio, Texas, the son of John Earl and Nellie Lucille Henderson Y=
oung, and departed this life at 111 p.m., on Thursday, July 16, 2020, in La=
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"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mmarr@albiontechnical.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@ukpips.org.u=
k" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk</a>&gt=
;<br>
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t</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than=
 one</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">What a nice gesture, John.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Mike<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"m_4753645923311575133x_AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Michael M=
arr<br>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Mobile: =C2=A0630-202-0065</div>
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<div>Sent from my iPad</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Aug 12, 2020, at 16:03, John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:John.Macart=
ney@ukpips.org.uk" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">John.Macartney@ukpi=
ps.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and prove=
n techniques on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who =
populate the email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining=
 former Standard Triumph employees who are
 merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lists and never make contribution=
s of their own because their memories of how and why things were done the w=
ay they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with the passa=
ge of time. I have no hesitation including myself
 in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting =
me down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of tech=
niques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running =
and as =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord him some f=
orm of honourable title that had a particular Standard
 Triumph flavour.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his=
 new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He ac=
cepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks=
.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import=
 of the =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard =
Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only buil=
ding which could house the myriad non production issues
 was a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that =
everyone mistakenly called ivy.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where o=
ne was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in =
the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t a=
nswer, the reply was usually on the lines
 of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for =
yer answer.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different a=
dmin functions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua =
Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.=C2=
=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seem=
ed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in t=
he best company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that=
 so many listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our de=
cision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just a=
nd in no way misplaced.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph=
 and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give googl=
e images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can se=
e where the Marquess had his official company seat.
 When I find what I want, I=E2=80=99ll post the link for you to do a click =
through and see for yourselves.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jonmac<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"m_4753645923311575133x_AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">At the Ba=
ttle of Waterloo, 1815:
<div>Lord Uxbridge: =C2=A0=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=
=E2=80=9D</div>
<div>Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard=
@uprichard.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">auprichard@uprichard.n=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">


<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Every morn=
ing I browse various TR websites and chat pages.=C2=A0 One trend I have not=
iced is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly know =
by demeaning or ridiculing those
 of us who maybe don=E2=80=99t know everything there is to know.=C2=A0 Good=
ness knows how many dumb questions I have asked over the years.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">It made me=
 think (again) about Randall.=C2=A0 If anyone had the credentials to be arr=
ogant or condescending, he did.=C2=A0 He knew more about these cars than mo=
st of us collectively ever will.=C2=A0
 Yet he was always kind and sincere.=C2=A0 Some of you may remember the ind=
ividual a few years ago who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most =
fundamental of questions:=C2=A0 Randall was consistently patient and helpfu=
l while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Maybe peop=
le are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s mantle as the TR guru.=C2=A0 Well=
, it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, people.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Please let=
 me be clear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me a friendly and int=
imate place (with just a few exceptions).=C2=A0 I have seen less traffic re=
cently and I sincerely hope it continues
 for as long as we work on our beloved cars.=C2=A0 Mark does a great job an=
d if I haven=E2=80=99t thanked him enough, I apologize.=C2=A0 Mark =E2=80=
=93 remind us again how to contribute.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Andrew Upr=
ichard</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Jackson, M=
ichigan</span></p>
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