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That is a very touching tribute. Thank you for sharing.
I am reminded of what a friend of mine from Congo once said.=C2=A0 He said =
in his tradition when an old person dies it is like loosing a library.=C2=
=A0 Fortunately for us, much of what he knew was documented.=C2=A0 Alas, it=
is never the case that everything is.
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques on o=
ld Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the emai=
l lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard =
Triumph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lists an=
d never make contributions of their own because their memories of how and w=
hy things were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now serio=
usly jaded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself =
in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting m=
e down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.
However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of technique=
s and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and a=
s =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord him some form o=
f honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.=C2=A0
Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new =
and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepte=
d and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks.=C2=
=A0
Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of t=
he =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard Motor=
Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building =
which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three store=
y house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly calle=
d ivy.=C2=A0
For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one wa=
s likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 1=
960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t answer=
, the reply was usually on the lines of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, =
our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0
Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin =
functions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua Franc=
a within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.=C2=A0
So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seemed to=
him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the be=
st company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.
I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so m=
any listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our decisio=
n as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in=
no way misplaced.=C2=A0
I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph and =
fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give google ima=
ges a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see whe=
re the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I=
=E2=80=99ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yoursel=
ves.
Jonmac
At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:Lord Uxbridge: =C2=A0=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir -=
I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9DDuke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir =
- so you have!=E2=80=9D
On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote=
:
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133491WordSection1 {}#yiv4179133491 Every morning I browse various TR websi=
tes and chat pages.=C2=A0 One trend I have noticed is various individuals w=
ho like to show how much they supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing th=
ose of us who maybe don=E2=80=99t know everything there is to know.=C2=A0 G=
oodness knows how many dumb questions I have asked over the years. =C2=A0It=
made me think (again) about Randall.=C2=A0 If anyone had the credentials t=
o be arrogant or condescending, he did.=C2=A0 He knew more about these cars=
than most of us collectively ever will.=C2=A0 Yet he was always kind and s=
incere.=C2=A0 Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who w=
as trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:=C2=
=A0 Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us=
rolled our eyes. =C2=A0Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s=
mantle as the TR guru.=C2=A0 Well, it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, peopl=
e. =C2=A0Please let me be clear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me=
a friendly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).=C2=A0 I have s=
een less traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as =
we work on our beloved cars.=C2=A0 Mark does a great job and if I haven=E2=
=80=99t thanked him enough, I apologize.=C2=A0 Mark =E2=80=93 remind us aga=
in how to contribute. =C2=A0Andrew UprichardJackson, Michigan
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<div> <font size=3D"3">That is a very touching tribute. Thank you for shari=
ng.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">I am reminded of what a friend of mine from Congo onc=
e said. He said in his tradition when an old person dies it is like l=
oosing a library. Fortunately for us, much of what he knew was docume=
nted. Alas, it is never the case that everything is.</font><br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
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Original Message-----<br>
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk><br>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net><br>
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 4:02 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"yiv4179133491">
<div>I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques=
on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the=
email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Stan=
dard Triumph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lis=
ts and never make contributions of their own because their memories of how =
and why things were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now =
seriously jaded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including my=
self in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously lett=
ing me down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dement=
ia.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of tech=
niques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running =
and as =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord him some f=
orm of honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his=
new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He ac=
cepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks=
. </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import=
of the =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard =
Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only buil=
ding which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three =
storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly =
called ivy. </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where o=
ne was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in =
the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t a=
nswer, the reply was usually on the lines of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum =
one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=E2=80=9D </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different a=
dmin functions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua =
Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else. =
;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seem=
ed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in t=
he best company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that=
so many listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our de=
cision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just a=
nd in no way misplaced. </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph=
and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give googl=
e images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can se=
e where the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want=
, I=E2=80=99ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for your=
selves.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Jonmac<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv4179133491AppleMailSignature">At the Battle of Wa=
terloo, 1815:
<div>Lord Uxbridge: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=
=E2=80=9D</div>
<div>Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
</div>
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ichard.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";>aupr=
ichard@uprichard.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></=
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<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
">Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages. One tren=
d I have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supp=
osedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don=E2=80=99t =
know everything there is to know. Goodness knows how many dumb questi=
ons I have asked over the years.</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
"> </span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
">It made me think (again) about Randall. If anyone had the credentia=
ls to be arrogant or condescending, he did. He knew more about these =
cars than most of us collectively ever will. Yet he was always kind a=
nd sincere. Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago w=
ho was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:=
Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of=
us rolled our eyes.</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
"> </span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
">Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s mantle as the TR guru=
. Well, it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, people.</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
"> </span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
">Please let me be clear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me a frie=
ndly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions). I have seen les=
s traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work=
on our beloved cars. Mark does a great job and if I haven=E2=80=99t =
thanked him enough, I apologize. Mark =E2=80=93 remind us again how t=
o contribute.</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
"> </span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
">Andrew Uprichard</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4179133491MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:New serif;=
">Jackson, Michigan</span></div>
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