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Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one

To: andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 22:02:08 +0100
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I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascinating and proven techniques on ol=
d Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email l=
ists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard Triu=
mph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatchers=E2=80=9D on the lists and nev=
er make contributions of their own because their memories of how and why thi=
ngs were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously ja=
ded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that g=
roup for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It=
 will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.

However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of techniques=
 and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and as =E2=
=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we thought we should accord him some form of hono=
urable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.=20

Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new a=
nd very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepted a=
nd sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks.=20

Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of th=
e =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard Motor C=
ompany moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building whi=
ch could house the myriad non production issues was a former three storey ho=
use that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy=
.=20

For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one was=
 likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 196=
0s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn=E2=80=99t answer, t=
he reply was usually on the lines of =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our k=
id. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.=E2=80=9D=20

Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin f=
unctions but =E2=80=98best go to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua Franca w=
ithin the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.=20

So you see, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seemed to h=
im to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best c=
ompany tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.

I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so ma=
ny listers sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our decision a=
s former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no w=
ay misplaced.=20

I miss his contributions already even though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph and f=
Ferguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I=E2=80=99ll give google image=
s a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where t=
he Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I=E2=80=99=
ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D
Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D


> On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> wrot=
e:
>=20
> Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I ha=
ve noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly k=
now by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don=E2=80=99t know ever=
ything there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have aske=
d over the years.
> =20
> It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to b=
e arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than mos=
t of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.  Some o=
f you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to restore a=
 TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was consistently p=
atient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.
> =20
> Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s mantle as the TR guru.=
  Well, it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, people.
> =20
> Please let me be clear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me a frien=
dly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traff=
ic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our b=
eloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven=E2=80=99t thanked him eno=
ugh, I apologize.  Mark =E2=80=93 remind us again how to contribute.
> =20
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I too greatly miss Randall=E2=80=99s fascin=
ating and proven techniques on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very f=
ew people who populate the email lists run by Mark realise there are about f=
ive remaining former Standard Triumph employees who are merely =E2=80=9Cwatc=
hers=E2=80=9D on the lists and never make contributions of their own because=
 their memories of how and why things were done the way they were when the c=
ars were new, are now seriously jaded with the passage of time. I have no he=
sitation including myself in that group for the simple fact that my own memo=
ry is seriously letting me down. It will continue to do so through the onset=
 of vascular dementia.<div><br></div><div>However, Randall amazed all of us w=
ith his expansive knowledge of techniques and options of safe and reliable s=
hortcuts to keep the cars running and as =E2=80=9CCoventrians=E2=80=9D we th=
ought we should accord him some form of honourable title that had a particul=
ar Standard Triumph flavour.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Together and as a=
 group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new and very unofficia=
l title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepted and sent us (thro=
ugh me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks.&nbsp;</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or impo=
rt of the =E2=80=98title=E2=80=99 so I=E2=80=99ll explain. When the Standard=
 Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only buil=
ding which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three s=
torey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly ca=
lled ivy.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>For a few years, Ivy Cottage was th=
e only place in the company where one was likely to find answers to all sort=
s of questions. Even in my day in the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a ques=
tion he or she couldn=E2=80=99t answer, the reply was usually on the lines o=
f =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer=
 answer.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, by that time, Iv=
y Cottage had gone through many different admin functions but =E2=80=98best g=
o to Ivy Cottage=E2=80=99 was the lingua Franca within the company to get yo=
ur issue sorted out somewhere else.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>So you se=
e, Randall=E2=80=99s endless responses to what must have seemed to him to be=
 tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best company t=
radition and with appropriate nomenclature.</div><div><br></div><div>I know w=
ithout any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so many liste=
rs sought and there=E2=80=99s no doubt in my mind that our decision as forme=
r employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no way mis=
placed.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I miss his contributions already even=
 though I=E2=80=99ve been Triumph and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two d=
ecades. I=E2=80=99ll give google images a thorough caning for an image of Iv=
y Cottage so all of you can see where the Marquess had his official company s=
eat. When I find what I want, I=E2=80=99ll post the link for you to do a cli=
ck through and see for yourselves.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><d=
iv id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:<di=
v>Lord Uxbridge: &nbsp;=E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=
=9D</div><div>Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D=
</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, an=
drew uprichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";>auprichard@up=
richard.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Every=
 morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.&nbsp; One trend I have=
 noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly kn=
ow by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don=E2=80=99t know every=
thing there is to know.&nbsp; Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have a=
sked over the years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,serif">It made me think (again) about Randall.&nbsp; If anyone had the c=
redentials to be arrogant or condescending, he did.&nbsp; He knew more about=
 these cars than most of us collectively ever will.&nbsp; Yet he was always k=
ind and sincere.&nbsp; Some of you may remember the individual a few years a=
go who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questio=
ns:&nbsp; Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some o=
f us rolled our eyes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&=
quot;,serif">Maybe people are trying to assume Randall=E2=80=99s mantle as t=
he TR guru.&nbsp; Well, it isn=E2=80=99t going to happen, people.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Please let me be cl=
ear =E2=80=93 this list has always seemed to me a friendly and intimate plac=
e (with just a few exceptions).&nbsp; I have seen less traffic recently and I=
 sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our beloved cars.&nbs=
p; Mark does a great job and if I haven=E2=80=99t thanked him enough, I apol=
ogize.&nbsp; Mark =E2=80=93 remind us again how to contribute.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Andrew Uprichard<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,serif">Jackson, Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>=
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