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RE: Is there anywhere in the world...?

To: kelly.allen@wachovia.com, triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: Is there anywhere in the world...?
From: Hugh Fader <hfader@usa.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:29:14 -0400
OK. I'll admit it too. I'm a card-carrying Libertarian. Can I have a show of
hands? How many other listers are Libertarians?

How is this LBC related? Libertarians love freedom. There is nothing like
the freedom of a top down ride in an LBC. Libertarians are individualistic
and sometimes offbeat. There's not much that's more individualistic and
offbeat than driving around the US in a 30-50 year old British car. This
makes me wonder if there is a higher proportion of Libertarians driving LBCs
than in the general population. You know, like more than 0.01%.

- Hugh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-triumphs@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-triumphs@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
> kelly.allen@wachovia.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:34 PM
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Is there anywhere in the world...?
>
>
> Mike - it sounds like you are a libertarian.  If not, maybe you should
> check it out:  http://www.lp.org/
> They're not perfect but at least they are headed in the right
> direction.
>
> Kelly
> New '73 TR6 owner! :  )
> PS - This is my 2nd attempt at posting - hope I did this
> right this time.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Hargreave Mawson <OC@46thFoot.com>@autox.team.net on
> 06/10/2003
> 07:06:33 AM
>
> Please respond to Michael Hargreave Mawson <OC@46thFoot.com>
>
> Sent by:    owner-triumphs@autox.team.net
>
>
> To:    triumph_herald@yahoogroups.com, triumphs@autox.team.net
> cc:
>
> Subject:    Re: Is there anywhere in the world...?
>
>
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, at around 00:59:57 local time,
> Guyots3@wmconnect.com wrote:
> >Michael Hargreave Mawson <OC@46thFoot.com>
> >Wrote
> >Is there anywhere in the world
> >where the ordinary pleasures of life - driving a car, smoking a
> >cigarette, drinking the odd glass of wine, or eating a
> packet of crisps
> >- are not seen as viciously anti-social behaviour, and are
> not subject
> >to ridiculous legislation or swingeing taxation?
> >
> >Mike, You have just listed most of the reasons that I chose to leave!
>
> But, but, but...   You went to a country that has even more intrusive
> legislation than we do!
>
> >South Africa has a lot to offer, but the political and
> personal security
> situation continues to deteriorate, (I was there in 94, 95, 98 & 99
> >and witnessed the changes)...
>
> Being white and British, I don't think moving to South Africa is the
> best choice for me at the moment.   I might just as well relocate to
> Baghdad.
>
> >Australia is OK, (the lucky country), but only around the
> edges, too hot,
> dry and dusty mostly. Many of the Australians are not noted for their
> >culture and sophistication either, and their beer is VERY strong.
>
> Ours is stronger. :-)   I'm a real ale fan, and I don't think I could
> survive on XXXX and Fosters.   Are there any decent real ale breweries
> in Australia?   I know that America (the home of flavourless, weak,
> fizzy, chemical beer) is full of excellent micro-breweries, producing
> some very fine ales.   Is Australia the same?
>
> > New Zealand is certainly a long way from almost everywhere
> else. Great if
> you like sheep and want to be cut-off, it is beautiful on South
> >Island, but then again there is the hole in the Ozone layer.
>
> Did I mention that I'm white?   In fact I'm very white, and I get
> appalling sunburn even when it is heavily overcast.   I don't go out
> without Factor 50 and a hat anyway, so the Ozone hole isn't going to
> make things any worse.   I've nothing against sheep, particularly.
> >
> >Canada, famous for being north of the USA. Nuff said, anyhow
> it is way too
> cold in the winter with way too much snow.
>
> <g>   I have spent very little time in Canada, and that only
> in Ontario,
> but what I saw appalled me.   It seemed to have merged most
> of the worst
> elements of American culture with most of the worst elements
> of British
> culture.   Nightmarish.
> >
> >The USA is in many ways 50 seperate nations of many
> different cultures.
> >You must be really careful about exactly where you want to go in this
> country. Avoid  Earthquake zones, Tornado Zones, Hurricane Zones,
> >Tarntula and Snake infested areas, Places where the summer
> is 120 degrees
> and the winter 10 degrees Fahrenheit, massive conurbations, and there
> >is not much left!
>
> Hawaii?   New England?   Oregon?   Washington State?   However, in all
> cases, there is still that Federal government hanging
> overhead.   And I
> don't like what I hear about it, whichever party is in power.
> >
> >That is why the Mormons settled in Salt Lake City and we settled in
> Southern Oregon...the only problem here seems to be lack of
> employment.
> >Dang it is hard to get work here, but otherwise it is pretty much OK.
>
> As a self-employed writer, this isn't going to be a major problem for
> me.   My wife is a bureaucrat, and there seems to be a
> growing number of
> opportunities in that field... :-(
> >
> >As for big brother, personally I am not too worried as long
> as you are one
> of the good guys then no problem!
>
> Really?   And who gets to define "good guy"?   If the answer is Tony
> Blair, or George W. Bush, I'm nervous...
>
> On the other hand, there is a thriving Triumph community in the US,
> which is a major plus.   But wouldn't I have to learn to spell
> carburettor and aluminium differently, and call a prop shaft a drive
> shaft?

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