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Gary,
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California still has the recovery nozzles.
=20
From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net>=20
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 7:49 AM
To: twotigers@verizon.net; twotigers--- via Tigers =
<tigers@autox.team.net>; M Lafayette <coolvt@aol.com>; jbsyv@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose
=20
Kirk,=20
Very interesting... yes, not logical... unless..=20
In googling I found an article that said Obama changed the rule that =
stations do not need=20
the recovery nozzles anymore. Any chance that they changed them in your =
area just at=20
the time you fixed your leaks?=20
I have thought of putting a vent valve in for use during fill ups.=20
Gary=20
=20
On 09/20/2023 8:15 PM PDT twotigers--- via Tigers <tigers@autox.teamnet =
=20
=20
I had the same trouble as everybody else, and the only relief I could =
get was to break the recovery seal, also. This went on for decades. One =
day I smelled some gas fumes in the car. After eliminating the carb as =
the source I started looking behind the trunk panels. I found a crack in =
the vent tube and another crack in the filler neck. Fixed both of those. =
Went to gas up, stuck the nozzle in, put the automatic trip on, and was =
shocked that the tanks filled completely. This was about a year ago =
Every fill up since, even at different gas stations, has had the same =
result. Goes totally against logic and critical thinking, because =
previously the only way to get gas in was to break the seal. Now, with =
no way for air to enter the system, it fills up completely without any =
fuss. Go figure!
=20
Kirk
=20
=20
=20
=20
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net =
Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose
=20
Seems like a few years back someone was advertising a device to put into =
the tank opening that supposedly solved this problem.
In a message dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =
=20
Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. =
I angle the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a =
PITA though. Never tried the upside down method.
=20
On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net =
=20
=20
You must not be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas =
pumps).
All 13 gallons take forever for me, so I never try to go more than 9 or =
so.
Old cars don't have the on-board carbon canister system that is needed =
for the new pumps.
So there is nothing you can do.
When the nozzle is fully inserted and gas pumped in the pressure rises =
and the pump shuts
off, always spilling gas down the side and onto the ground.=20
I have to hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat and =
just barely open the
trigger, takes forever.
Some guys hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it works better. I =
just tried this again
and it did seem to work better than years ago when I last tried it.
Gary
=20
=20
On 09/19/2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver <gregdawg89@hotmail.com =
=20
=20
It does that with my Tiger too. =F0=9F=99=81
=20
_____ =20
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 1:53 PM
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers@autox.team.net =
Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose
=20
I have a ongoing issue, more of testing my patience, in that it takes me =
at least 5 minutes to completely fill my gas tanks. It takes the first =
8-9 gallons just fine but the last 3-4 takes forever. I must squeak in =
.1-.2 gallons at a time, meaning I must wait 10-15 seconds for the gas =
to settle in the tanks before adding more.
=20
The gas tank vent hose is in the correct location, I believe. No gas =
fumes in trunk. Gas tank sending unit and gauge are pretty accurate. =
When my patience holds and I get the tanks full, gauge shows 11.75 to 12 =
gallons on the gauge.
=20
Any ideas or suggestions as to why this might be happening and potential =
fix would be appreciated.
=20
Regards
=20
Joel Martin
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Gary,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>California =
still has the recovery nozzles.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> GARY WINBLAD =
<garywinblad@comcast.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 21, =
2023 7:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> twotigers@verizon.net; twotigers--- via =
Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>; M Lafayette =
<coolvt@aol.com>; jbsyv@yahoo.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] =
Gas tank vent hose<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Kirk, =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Very interesting... =
yes, not logical... unless.. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In googling I found an article that said Obama changed =
the rule that stations do not need <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>the recovery nozzles anymore. Any chance that =
they changed them in your area just at <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>the time you fixed your leaks? =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have thought of putting =
a vent valve in for use during fill ups. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gary <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 09/20/2023 8:15 PM PDT twotigers--- via Tigers =
<<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.teamnet";>tigers@autox.teamnet</a>> =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I had the =
same trouble as everybody else, and the only relief I could get was to =
break the recovery seal, also. This went on for decades. One day I =
smelled some gas fumes in the car. After eliminating the carb as the =
source I started looking behind the trunk panels. I found a crack in the =
vent tube and another crack in the filler neck. Fixed both of those. =
Went to gas up, stuck the nozzle in, put the automatic trip on, and was =
shocked that the tanks filled completely. This was about a year ago =
Every fill up since, even at different gas stations, has had the same =
result. Goes totally against logic and critical thinking, because =
previously the only way to get gas in was to break the seal. Now, with =
no way for air to enter the system, it fills up completely without any =
fuss. Go figure!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Kirk<o:p></o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:30.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><spa=
n style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong> =
Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>tigers-bounces@autox.team.n=
et</a>> <strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On =
Behalf Of </span></strong>M Lafayette via Tigers<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> =
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:31 PM<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> <a =
href=3D"mailto:jbsyv@yahoo.com";>jbsyv@yahoo.com</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><stron=
g><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> Re: =
[Tigers] Gas tank vent hose<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><spa=
n =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>See=
ms like a few years back someone was advertising a device to put into =
the tank opening that supposedly solved this =
problem.</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>In a =
message dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a> =
writes:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div =
id=3Dyiv1941385947><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hold back =
the vapor recovery sleeve. I angle the nozzle down into the filler pipe =
and that helps. Still a PITA though. Never tried the upside down =
method.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div id=3Dyiv1941385947yqt98161><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sep 20, =
2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD <<a =
href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net";>garywinblad@comcast.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div =
id=3Dyiv1941385947yqt34050><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You must =
not be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas =
pumps).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>All 13 =
gallons take forever for me, so I never try to go more than 9 or =
so.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Old cars =
don't have the on-board carbon canister system that is needed for the =
new pumps.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So there is =
nothing you can do.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>When the =
nozzle is fully inserted and gas pumped in the pressure rises and the =
pump shuts<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>off, always =
spilling gas down the side and onto the =
ground. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have to =
hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat and just =
barely open the<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>trigger, =
takes forever.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Some guys =
hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it works better. I just =
tried this again<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>and it did =
seem to work better than years ago when I last tried =
it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Gary<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On =
09/19/2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gregdawg89@hotmail.com";>gregdawg89@hotmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>It does that with my Tiger too. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif'>🙁</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3Dyiv1941385947appendonsend><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3Dyiv1941385947divRplyFwdMsg><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><spa=
n style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong> =
Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>tigers-bounces@autox.team.n=
et</a>> on behalf of Joel Martin via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br><s=
trong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> =
Tuesday, September 19, 2023 1:53 PM<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> Tiger =
List Serve <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br><s=
trong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> =
[Tigers] Gas tank vent hose<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>I have a ongoing =
issue, more of testing my patience, in that it takes me at least 5 =
minutes to completely fill my gas tanks. It takes the first 8-9 =
gallons just fine but the last 3-4 takes forever. I must squeak in =
.1-.2 gallons at a time, meaning I must wait 10-15 seconds for the gas =
to settle in the tanks before adding =
more.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'> </span><o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>The gas tank =
vent hose is in the correct location, I believe. No gas fumes in =
trunk. Gas tank sending unit and gauge are pretty accurate. =
When my patience holds and I get the tanks full, gauge shows 11.75 to 12 =
gallons on the gauge.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'> </span><o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>Any ideas or =
suggestions as to why this might be happening and potential fix would be =
appreciated.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'> </span><o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>Regards</span><o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'> </span><o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>Joel =
Martin</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>__________________=
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