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Lynn, Stock radiator? And, what fan?
In a message dated 7/20/2023 5:37:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cars@wt-inc.=
com writes:=C2=A0
With a proper full shroud it would work well.=C2=A0 Probably be enough with=
Horn block offs.
=C2=A0
I am running a 347 stroker, 565 ish HP and full air conditioning and never =
get over 185-195 degrees with A/C in 100 degree heat.=C2=A0 Can do it all d=
ay.
=C2=A0
Lynn
=C2=A0
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of M Lafayette via T=
igers
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 12:13 PM
To: atwittsend@verizon.net; tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 16, Issue 143
=C2=A0
In speaking to a rep. from a fan company years ago, he mentioned that a "pu=
ller" elect. fan would cool either 2 or 3 times (can't remember the number)=
as well as a "pusher" elect. fan.=C2=A0 Makes sense since modern cars seem=
s to use puller elctric's.=C2=A0 Has anyone tried just one good elect. pull=
er on a Tiger?
Mark
In a message dated 7/20/2023 1:58:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@auto=
x.team.net writes:
=C2=A0
As I was reading your "journey" when you got to the Flex-a-Lite fan (initia=
l item #6) I thought it might be suspect. Most people seem to have success =
with the Maverick fan, the Volvo fan or a particular Derale fan.=C2=A0 I ca=
n see where a pusher fan might impede airflow of a mechanical puller fan bu=
t not the other way where a puller fan impedes the flow of a pusher fan. Th=
at said given the "Flex" aspect of the Flex-a-Lite fan I wonder if it creat=
es a "wall of wind" and was causing the overheating issue. Without smoke to=
see the flow of air movement I'm always baffled by things that blow over -=
and those that don't, leaves that deposit in one area of the yard - and no=
t another. So, whatever the flex fan was doing it seems germane to the itse=
lf as others have not had the same issue with the recommended fans and a pu=
sher fan. I won't ask if the fan was installed backwards (you seen way smar=
ter than that) but does the possibility exist that the fan design was for c=
ounter rotation? With serpentine belts in cars these days the rotation of t=
he water pump is often opposite of earlier engines of the same design. The =
good news is that you found a solution to your problem. Enjoy the ride.
On 7/20/2023 7:47 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers wrote:
Tiger Running hot =E2=80=93 Shotgun Approach after time of trying baby step=
s.
After about a year of struggling with car running hot at idle with the hood=
down, Hot to me is 195 degrees and above. I took drastic steps.=C2=A0 I ha=
ve been driving the car during the last year only on back roads with not mu=
ch chance of traffic lights and traffic.=C2=A0 I live in rural NC outside o=
f Pinehurst.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Bloody yahoo mail formatting ruined numberin=
g copied from MS Word, so please ignore.=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. Purchased and installed Sunbeam Specialties (=
SS) gloss black radiator overflow tank, missing from car.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Purchased and installed overflow ta=
nk straps from Alexander Washick=C2=A0alw6464@gmail.com which are powder co=
ated, missing from car.
=20
- Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert Stragh=
an=C2=A0<rgstraghan@yahoo.ca> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black
- Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen=C2=A0<d=
lutjen55@gmail.com> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.
- Purchased and installed new taller custom aluminum cross flow side tan=
k radiator from Griffin Radiator.
- Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Fo=
rd dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line u=
p.
- Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D =
from radiator.
- Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-Lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.
- Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator=
hoses.
- New top radiator hose from local source, as SS hose would not fit tall=
er radiator.
- New fan belt.
- Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fi=
t as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my=
taller radiator.=C2=A0 Striped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss =
black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.
- Installed 160 degree thermostat from 180.=C2=A0 Could not find 170 deg=
ree.=C2=A0 If anyone has a part number and supplier for a 170-degree thermo=
stat, please forward.
So at this point I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a cust=
om.=C2=A0 Other changes could make is front air dam and block front cross m=
ember to bottom of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how thing=
s play out this summer.
=C2=A0Ok after all the above I was still not satisfied with watching the te=
mperature gauge increase while at idle or in stop and go traffic.=C2=A0 Goa=
l was to keep the temperature at ALL times between 180 and 190 degrees whet=
her driving or at idle.
=C2=A0The following changes have been made since the above changes 1-13 aft=
er trial period of 6 months or so.
=C2=A0The Flow Kooler water pump started leaking so I purchased the SS wate=
r pump and installed it and drove for a month or so.=C2=A0 Install error on=
the Flow Kooler water pump gasket turned out to be the problem.=C2=A0 The =
SS water pump actually raised idle temps 2-3 degrees so I would later reins=
tall the Flow Kooler with a new gasket.
=20
- Installed a couple of 12=E2=80=9D electric pusher fans I had in the ga=
rage and wired a manual off/on switch under the dash with a relay.=C2=A0 No=
t much help or change in idle temperature while at stoplights or stop\go tr=
affic.
- Built and installed a custom fan shroud.=C2=A0 Remember I have an over=
size Griffin radiator.=C2=A0 This change resulted in idle temp. drop by may=
be 2-3 degrees.=C2=A0 Goal not achieve at this point but getting better.
- I then discussed issue with Flex-a-lite technical services hot line (m=
ultiple times) regarding their electric pusher fan line.
=20
=20
- The rule of thumb they recommend:=C2=A0 Electric fans of either the pu=
sher or puller type should be that the electric fan should cover 70% of the=
radiator surface.=C2=A0 Mine came out to 69.5% coverage.
- Small block V-8 engines recommendation is=C2=A0 3,000 CFM.
- Flex - a- Lite had only 1 fan that met these specifications.
|=20
=C2=A0
|=20
FLX-105391
Electric Fan, Pusher, Flex-Wave, Single, 16 in. Diameter, 3,000 cfm, Black,=
20 amps,=C2=A0=20
(Mfr. #: 239)=20
|
=20
=20
- Also purchased temp probe and relay from Flex =E2=80=93 a Lite which i=
s adjustable so you can set when the fan comes on.=C2=A0 Off is 10 degrees =
from on temp and is NOT adjustable.
|=20
=C2=A0
|=20
FLX-121281
Fan Control, Compact, Adjustable, Thread-in Probe, Single Fan, Kit=20
(Mfr. #: 33095)=20
|
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 e. Also purcha=
sed temperature probe adapter and installed in the upper radiator hose.
|=20
=C2=A0
|=20
FLX-107078
Radiator Hose Adapter, Aluminum, Fits 1 1/2 in. Hose, Has Two 1/4 in. NPT P=
orts, Includes One Plug, Each=20
(Mfr. #: 32082)=20
|
The idea was to run the stock temp gauge probe=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 into=
the adapter and keep my mechanical temperature gauge in place in the manif=
old to verify stock gauge was pretty accurate.=C2=A0 The =C2=BC NPT port wo=
uld not handle the stock probe and I could not find 1/4 probe with the corr=
ect ohms for the stock gauge, so manual temp gauge is still in place which =
I believe is accurate.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0f.=C2=A0 Goal still not achieved
=20
- Flex - a - Lite then offered the following advice =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CY=
ou typically only need one or the other. If you have a mechanical fan and j=
ust want extra cooling in stop and go traffic, I suggest you use a much sma=
ller electric fan. But using both a mechanical and this bigger electric fan=
will probably cause some disruption.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 The two smaller electr=
ic fans I used did not work in my case, so advice about smaller electric fa=
n in conjunction with mechanical water pump fan did not work in my particul=
ar car.
=C2=A0Plan =E2=80=A6. Reinstalled the Flow Kooler water pump with new gaske=
t.
=20
=20
- Removed the mechanical fan from the water pump and the 1=E2=80=9D spac=
er.=C2=A0 Finally success!=C2=A0 Temp stays between 176 and 190 at ALL time=
s regardless of ambient temperature and traffic conditions. So, in my case,=
the mechanical fan in conjunction with the electric fan was causing air fl=
ow disruption.
- =C2=A0The temp at speed above 35 mph, the car runs around 176 degrees =
with 160 degree thermostat in temps 90 degrees and less.=C2=A0 About 183 in=
temperatures above 90, so not a issue. I might try out the 180 degree ther=
mostat at some point, 170 if I could find one might be optimum for my car.=
=C2=A0 The only down side for me is the electric fan is noisy when running =
and volts on volt gauge drops around =C2=BD - =C2=BE- volt when the fan com=
es on.. The battery volts dropping are due to fan drawing 20 amps. This has=
not been a issue with lights on or off. I have a alternator and not the ge=
nerator so with generator cars, this might be an issue.=C2=A0 Now I cannot =
hear the electric fan at all inside the car but outside, it is noisy when r=
unning.=C2=A0 Headers, 2.25" exhaust pipes with Flow Master series 40 muffl=
ers.=C2=A0 I wonder why I cannot hear fan running.
=C2=A0So you see I have tried almost all recommended suggestions except low=
er shroud addition and air dam to direct airflow.
=C2=A0Every car reacts differently to changes and you have to keep trying d=
ifferent approaches that might work for your car and temperature\humidity o=
f the area you reside.
=C2=A0What changes I have made to me that had the biggest result and what w=
ould I try again in what order to minimize cost, effort and work involved.
Yahoo formatting again.=20
Test temp gauge and sender to ensure reading properly.
=20
- Ensure radiator in good working order.
- Change thermostat from 180 to 170 then 160.
- Install horn block off plates, minimal cost and about 1 hour to instal=
l.
- Fan shroud if you do not have one, 2-3 degrees improvement in my case,=
custom made.=C2=A0 Possible making of the lower portion of the shroud as w=
ell, which I have not done.
- Undersize water pump pulley and at same time, try a different mechanic=
al fan and ensure fan is 1=E2=80=9D from radiator.
- Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680, 2-3 degrees improvement in my case
- New Griffin radiator.=C2=A0 They sell a package for the Tiger with rad=
iator, electric fan and shroud.=C2=A0 Remember my radiator is a custom over=
size radiator install by previous owner and the stock Griffin radiator or p=
ackage would not work in my case but I have installed a new custom Griffin =
radiator.
- Remove mechanical fan and install electric pusher fan that covers 70% =
of your radiator surface and moves 3,000 cfm=E2=80=99s as recommended for =
small block V-8 motors. Items 8 and 9 could be in reverse order and step 9 =
will not necessary if you purchase the Griffin Tiger package, your call.
=C2=A0So you see I have tried almost all recommended suggestions except low=
er shroud addition and air dam to direct air flow and have finally met my g=
oal of keeping the temperature between 180 to 190 degrees in all driving co=
nditions.=C2=A0 I hope my trials and findings will help you moving forward.=
=C2=A0 Any questions, please ask.
=C2=A0Regards
Joel Martin
=C2=A0
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 09:09:34 PM EDT, tigers-request@autox.team.n=
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Today's Topics:
=C2=A0 1. Re: Cooling Fan (LARRY PAULICK)
Joe, I did an article for Tigers United, that describes with photographs wh=
at I did for the full fans shroud.=20
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tigersunited.com
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BTW, Tigers United has a lot of great articles covering the variety of subj=
ects. You might want to check it out.=C2=A0
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On Jul 19, 2023, at 10:31 AM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0
Thanks for all of the replies.=C2=A0 I have a mostly stock engine (with Ede=
lbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator.=C2=A0 I have a temperature ga=
uge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a little over 200 at =
idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car.=C2=A0 My problem=
right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when the temperature wa=
s over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and shut the engine of=
f it puked some water onto the floor.=C2=A0 The temp gauge was showing arou=
nd 250 degrees at that point.=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0
I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some horn op=
ening covers today.=C2=A0 I will also look at blocking off the area below t=
he radiator.=C2=A0 I have read all of the articles that people have referre=
d to and I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds.=C2=A0 So I was =
just looking for pusher fan recommendations at this point.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0
The best advice is to probably not drive in 100+ degree weather.
=C2=A0
Thanks,
Joe Brown
=C2=A0
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tiger=
, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes throu=
gh the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the radiat=
or again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own radiat=
or.=C2=A0 It works.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0
I think michael hit the nail on the head.=C2=A0 first need to know is it ov=
erheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?=20
=C2=A0
a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.=C2=A0 and sp=
al is the go to brand.=C2=A0 =C2=A0still need the horn holes and gap betwee=
n cross member and rad blocked.=C2=A0 cardboard and zip ties does the trick=
quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent=C2=A0solution later if y=
ou want.=C2=A0 also need a fan shroud.=20
=C2=A0
personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a small=
13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.=C2=A0 that creates enough pull thro=
ugh the radiator at idle.
=C2=A0
if its=C2=A0overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem enti=
rely and there are a variety=C2=A0of other things to check.
=C2=A0
in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions=C2=A0(slow=
ing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a particular=
altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.=C2=A0 there are a=
bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but=
i've=C2=A0only suffered from it once.
=C2=A0
one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the tiger =
over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.=C2=A0 at =
least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with thermosta=
t or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, even how b=
locked the radiator is.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <tigers@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
I=E2=80=99ve been reading=C2=A0about cooling issues with tigers for more th=
at a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher =
fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on=C2=A0this issue=
. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first =
place to start is=C2=A0knowing what the actual=C2=A0engine team really is. =
We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as=
a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, =
Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not=C2=A0necessa=
rily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=
=80=99m not really sure is does=C2=A0anything. My=C2=A0original guage can s=
how 225-230 on =C2=A0a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has p=
ucked out fluid. The design of the should is an=C2=A0issue. It lets hot air=
from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=
=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be=C2=A0done. However, on a hot low humidity day=
.. well good luck. JMO=20
=C2=A0
On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
=C2=A0
The article includes several suggestions.=20
=C2=A0
One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the b=
ottom.
=C2=A0
A list member offered a piece he fabricated.
=C2=A0
I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later th=
is year.
=C2=A0
Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.
=C2=A0
Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
=C2=A0
<image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>
Sent from my iPhone
=C2=A0
On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? =C2=A0http://tigersunited.com/=
techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp=20
=C2=A0
It works great in Southern California heat.
=C2=A0
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> w=
rote:
My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.=C2=A0 I've re=
ad through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of =
the suggested modifications.=C2=A0 They listed two different pusher electri=
c fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.=20
=C2=A0
So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, what part num=
bers?
=C2=A0
Thanks,
Joe Brown
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font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: #000000; font-styl=
e: normal; font-weight: bold;">Lynn, Stock radiator? And, what fan?<br></sp=
an></div>
<br>In a message dated 7/20/2023 5:37:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cars@wt-=
inc.com writes:
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal">With a proper full shroud it would work=
well. Probably be enough with Horn block offs.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal">I am running a 347 stroker, 565 ish HP =
and full air conditioning and never get over 185-195 degrees with A/C in 10=
0 degree heat. Can do it all day.</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal">Lynn</p>
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0in 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers <tiger=
s-bounces@autox.team.net> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>M Lafayette via =
Tigers<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Thursday, July 20, 2023 12:13 PM<br><stron=
g>To:</strong> atwittsend@verizon.net; <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.=
net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer">tigers@autox.team.net</a=
><br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 16, Issue 14=
3</p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 14.0p=
t; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;">In speaking to a rep. from a fan=
company years ago, he mentioned that a "puller" elect. fan would cool eith=
er 2 or 3 times (can't remember the number) as well as a "pusher" elect. fa=
n. Makes sense since modern cars seems to use puller elctric's. =
Has anyone tried just one good elect. puller on a Tiger?</span></strong></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 14.0p=
t; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;">Mark</span></strong></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><br>In a message dated 7/20/2023 1:58:2=
9 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"> tigers@autox.team.net</a>=
writes:</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
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0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5=
.0pt;">
<div id=3D"yiv2557846792">
<div>
<p>As I was reading your "journey" when you got to the Flex-a-Lite fan (ini=
tial item #6) I thought it might be suspect. Most people seem to have succe=
ss with the Maverick fan, the Volvo fan or a particular Derale fan. I=
can see where a pusher fan might impede airflow of a mechanical puller fan=
but not the other way where a puller fan impedes the flow of a pusher fan.=
That said given the "Flex" aspect of the Flex-a-Lite fan I wonder if it cr=
eates a "wall of wind" and was causing the overheating issue. Without smoke=
to see the flow of air movement I'm always baffled by things that blow ove=
r - and those that don't, leaves that deposit in one area of the yard - and=
not another. So, whatever the flex fan was doing it seems germane to the i=
tself as others have not had the same issue with the recommended fans and a=
pusher fan. I won't ask if the fan was installed backwards (you seen way s=
marter than that) but does the possibility exist that the fan design was fo=
r counter rotation? With serpentine belts in cars these days the rotation o=
f the water pump is often opposite of earlier engines of the same design. T=
he good news is that you found a solution to your problem. Enjoy the ride.<=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal">On 7/20/2023 7:47 AM, Joel Martin via T=
igers wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12=
.0pt; font-family: New serif;">Tiger Running hot – Shotgun Approach a=
fter time of trying baby steps.</span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12=
.0pt; font-family: New serif;">After about a year of struggling with car ru=
nning hot at idle with the hood down, Hot to me is 195 degrees and above. I=
took drastic steps. I have been driving the car during the last year=
only on back roads with not much chance of traffic lights and traffic.&nbs=
p; I live in rural NC outside of Pinehurst.</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-=
family: New serif;"> Bloody yahoo mail format=
ting ruined numbering copied from MS Word, so please ignore. </span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-=
family: New serif;"> 1. Purchased and installed S=
unbeam Specialties (SS) gloss black radiator overflow tank, missing from ca=
r.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-=
family: New serif;"> 2. Purchased and i=
nstalled overflow tank straps from <span class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1d=
frtlirtlidzssg">Alexander Washick</span><span class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f6=
8ac1uncz1vrpvf"> <a href=3D"mailto:alw6464@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">alw6464@gmail.com</a> which are powd=
er coated</span>, missing from car.</span></p>
</div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from </span></s=
pan><span class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlidzssg"><span style=3D"=
font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: serif;">Robert Straghan</span></span><span =
class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0=
pt; font-family: serif;"> <a href=3D"mailto:rgstraghan@yahoo.ca"; targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"><rgstraghan@yahoo.ca&g=
t;</a> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from </span></span><=
span class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlidzssg"><span style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: serif;">Don Lutjen</span></span><span class=3D"y=
iv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-f=
amily: serif;"> <a href=3D"mailto:dlutjen55@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"><dlutjen55@gmail.com></a> scu=
ffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Purchased and installed new taller custom aluminum cross flow side =
tank radiator from Griffin Radiator.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted=
Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to lin=
e up.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1”=
from radiator.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-Lite 14” nylon 6 blade fan.</sp=
an></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radia=
tor hoses.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">New top radiator hose from local source, as SS hose would not fit t=
aller radiator.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">New fan belt.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not=
fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit=
my taller radiator. Striped, primed and painted used shroud semi glo=
ss black – sitting on shelf.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Installed 160 degree thermostat from 180. Could not find 170 =
degree. If anyone has a part number and supplier for a 170-degree the=
rmostat, please forward.</span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv2557846792=
ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New s=
erif;">So at this point I do not have a fan shroud – unless make up a=
custom. Other changes could make is front air dam and block front cr=
oss member to bottom of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how =
things play out this summer.</span></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv2557846792=
ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New s=
erif;"> Ok after all the above I was still not satisfied with watching=
the temperature gauge increase while at idle or in stop and go traffic.&nb=
sp; Goal was to keep the temperature at ALL times between 180 and 190 degre=
es whether driving or at idle.</span></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv2557846792=
ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New s=
erif;"> The following changes have been made since the above changes 1=
-13 after trial period of 6 months or so.</span></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv2557846792=
ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New s=
erif;"> The Flow Kooler water pump started leaking so I purchased the =
SS water pump and installed it and drove for a month or so. Install e=
rror on the Flow Kooler water pump gasket turned out to be the problem.&nbs=
p; The SS water pump actually raised idle temps 2-3 degrees so I would late=
r reinstall the Flow Kooler with a new gasket.</span></span></p>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Installed a couple of 12” electric pusher fans I had in the g=
arage and wired a manual off/on switch under the dash with a relay. N=
ot much help or change in idle temperature while at stoplights or stop\go t=
raffic.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Built and installed a custom fan shroud. Remember I have an o=
versize Griffin radiator. This change resulted in idle temp. drop by =
maybe 2-3 degrees. Goal not achieve at this point but getting better.=
</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">I then discussed issue with Flex-a-lite technical services hot line=
(multiple times) regarding their electric pusher fan line.</span></span></=
li>
</ol>
<ol start=3D"3" type=3D"1">
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"a">
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">The rule of thumb they recommend: Electric fans of either the=
pusher or puller type should be that the electric fan should cover 70% of =
the radiator surface. Mine came out to 69.5% coverage.</span></span><=
/li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Small block V-8 engines recommendation is 3,000 CFM.</span></=
span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Flex - a- Lite had only 1 fan that met these specifications.</span>=
</span></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<table class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormalTable" style=3D"width: 369.75pt;" bor=
der=3D"0" width=3D"493" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style=3D"width: 2.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" width=3D"3">
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"> </p>
</td>
<td style=3D"width: 367.25pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" valign=3D"top" wid=
th=3D"490">
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-=
size: 9.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;"><a href=3D"https://www=
.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-105391" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: black;">FLX-105391</span></a></span><=
/strong><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: bl=
ack;"><br>Electric Fan, Pusher, Flex-Wave, Single, 16 in. Diameter, 3,000 c=
fm, Black, 20 amps, <br>(Mfr. #: 239) </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<ol start=3D"4" type=3D"1">
<ol start=3D"4" type=3D"a">
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv255784679=
2ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New =
serif;">Also purchased temp probe and relay from Flex – a Lite which =
is adjustable so you can set when the fan comes on. Off is 10 degrees=
from on temp and is NOT adjustable.</span></span></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<table class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormalTable" style=3D"width: 6.25in;" borde=
r=3D"0" width=3D"600" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style=3D"width: 7.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" width=3D"10">
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"> </p>
</td>
<td style=3D"width: 148.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" valign=3D"top" widt=
h=3D"198">
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-=
size: 9.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;"><a href=3D"https://www=
.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-121281" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: black;">FLX-121281</span></a></span><=
/strong><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: bl=
ack;"><br>Fan Control, Compact, Adjustable, Thread-in Probe, Single Fan, Ki=
t <br>(Mfr. #: 33095) </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1=
uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New serif;">&nbs=
p; e. Also purchased =
temperature probe adapter and installed in the upper radiator hose.</span><=
/span></p>
</div>
<table class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormalTable" style=3D"width: 6.25in;" borde=
r=3D"0" width=3D"600" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style=3D"width: 7.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" width=3D"10">
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"> </p>
</td>
<td style=3D"width: 148.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" valign=3D"top" widt=
h=3D"198">
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-=
size: 9.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: black;"><a href=3D"https://www=
.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-107078" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: black;">FLX-107078</span></a></span><=
/strong><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: bl=
ack;"><br>Radiator Hose Adapter, Aluminum, Fits 1 1/2 in. Hose, Has Two 1/4=
in. NPT Ports, Includes One Plug, Each <br>(Mfr. #: 32082) </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal" style=3D"margin-left: .75in;=
"><span class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 12.0pt; font-family: New serif;">The idea was to run the stock temp gau=
ge probe into the adapter and keep my mechanical te=
mperature gauge in place in the manifold to verify stock gauge was pretty a=
ccurate. The ¼ NPT port would not handle the stock probe and I=
could not find 1/4 probe with the correct ohms for the stock gauge, so man=
ual temp gauge is still in place which I believe is accurate.</span></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span class=3D"yiv2557846792=
ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New s=
erif;"> &n=
bsp; f. Goal still not achieved</span></span></p>
<ol start=3D"5" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
2.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: windowtext;">Flex - a - Lite then off=
ered the following advice – “</span></span><span style=3D"font-=
size: 12.0pt; font-family: serif;">You typically only need one or the other=
. If you have a mechanical fan and just want extra cooling in stop and go t=
raffic, I suggest you use a much smaller electric fan. But using both a mec=
hanical and this bigger electric fan will probably cause some disruption.&r=
dquo; The two smaller electric fans I used did not work in my case, s=
o advice about smaller electric fan in conjunction with mechanical water pu=
mp fan did not work in my particular car.</span></li>
</ol>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12=
.0pt; font-family: New serif;"> <span style=3D"color: black;">Plan &he=
llip;. Reinstalled the Flow Kooler water pump with new gasket.</span></span=
></p>
<ol start=3D"5" type=3D"1">
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"a">
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
2.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: black;">Removed the mechanical fan fr=
om the water pump and the 1” spacer. Finally success! Tem=
p stays between 176 and 190 at ALL times regardless of ambient temperature =
and traffic conditions. So, in my case, the mechanical fan in conjunction w=
ith the electric fan was causing air flow disruption.</span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
2.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: black;"> The temp at speed above=
35 mph, the car runs around 176 degrees with 160 degree thermostat in temp=
s 90 degrees and less. About 183 in temperatures above 90, so not a i=
ssue. I might try out the 180 degree thermostat at some point, 170 if I cou=
ld find one might be optimum for my car. The only down side for me is=
the electric fan is noisy when running and volts on volt gauge drops aroun=
d ½ - ¾- volt when the fan comes on.. The battery volts dropp=
ing are due to fan drawing 20 amps. This has not been a issue with lights o=
n or off. I have a alternator and not the generator so with generator cars,=
this might be an issue. Now I cannot hear the electric fan <strong>a=
t all</strong> inside the car but outside, it is noisy when running. =
Headers, 2.25" exhaust pipes with Flow Master series 40 mufflers. I w=
onder why I cannot hear fan running.</span></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12=
.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: black;"> So you see I have tried =
almost all recommended suggestions except lower shroud addition and air dam=
to direct airflow.</span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12=
.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: black;"> Every car reacts differe=
ntly to changes and you have to keep trying different approaches that might=
work for your car and temperature\humidity of the area you reside.</span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12=
.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: black;"> What changes I have made=
to me that had the biggest result and what would I try again in what order=
to minimize cost, effort and work involved.</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-=
family: New serif; color: black;">Yahoo formatting again. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-=
family: New serif; color: black;">Test temp gauge and sender to ensure read=
ing properly.</span></p>
</div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New serif;">Ensure radiator in =
good working order.</span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New serif;">Change thermostat f=
rom 180 to 170 then 160.</span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New serif;">Install horn block =
off plates, minimal cost and about 1 hour to install.</span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New serif;">Fan shroud if you d=
o not have one, 2-3 degrees improvement in my case, custom made. Poss=
ible making of the lower portion of the shroud as well, which I have not do=
ne.</span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
2.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: windowtext;">Undersize water pump pul=
ley and at same time, try a different mechanical fan and ensure fan is 1&rd=
quo; from radiator.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
2.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: windowtext;">Flow Kooler water pump B=
RA-1680, </span></span><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: serif=
;">2-3 degrees improvement in my case</span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
2.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: windowtext;">New Griffin radiator.&nb=
sp; They sell a package for the Tiger with radiator, electric fan and shrou=
d. Remember my radiator is a custom oversize radiator install by prev=
ious owner and the stock Griffin radiator or package would not work in my c=
ase but I have installed a new custom Griffin radiator.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
2.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: windowtext;">Remove mechanical fan an=
d install electric pusher fan that covers 70% of your radiator surface </sp=
an></span><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: windowtext;">and=
</span> </strong><span class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: windowtext;">mov=
es 3,000 cfm’s as recommended for small block V-8 motors. Items 8 and=
9 could be in reverse order and step 9 will not necessary if you purchase =
the Griffin Tiger package, your call.</span></span></li>
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792ydpc0f68ac1msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12=
.0pt; font-family: New serif; color: black;"> So you see I have tried =
almost all recommended suggestions except lower shroud addition and air dam=
to direct air flow and have finally met my goal of keeping the temperature=
between 180 to 190 degrees in all driving conditions. I hope my tria=
ls and findings will help you moving forward. Any questions, please a=
sk.</span></p>
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family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
">On Jul 19, 2023, at 10:31 AM, Joe Brown <u><span style=3D"color: blue;">&=
lt;jbbrown1980@gmail.com></span></u> wrote:</span></a></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
"> </span></a></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
">Thanks for all of the replies. I have a mostly stock engine (with E=
delbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator. I have a temperature =
gauge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a little over 200 a=
t idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car. My probl=
em right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when the temperature =
was over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and shut the engine =
off it puked some water onto the floor. The temp gauge was showing ar=
ound 250 degrees at that point. </span></a></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
"> </span></a></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
">I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some horn =
opening covers today. I will also look at blocking off the area below=
the radiator. I have read all of the articles that people have refer=
red to and I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds. So I wa=
s just looking for pusher fan recommendations at this point. </=
span></a></span></p>
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family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
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noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
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family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
">The best advice is to probably not drive in 100+ degree weather.</span></=
a></span></p>
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family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
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family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
">Thanks,</span></a></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
">Joe Brown</span></a></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
"> </span></a></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <<u><=
span style=3D"color: blue;">tigers@autox.team.net</span></u>> wrote:</sp=
an></a></span></p>
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g: 0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;">
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
">I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tig=
er, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes thr=
ough the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the radi=
ator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own radi=
ator. It works. </span></a></span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
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<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
">On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <<u><span style=3D"color: blu=
e;">owain.lloyd@gmail.com</span></u>> wrote:</span></a></span></p>
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family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
"> </span></a></span></p>
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family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">I t=
hink michael hit the nail on the head. first need to know is it overh=
eating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed? </span></a></span></p>
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family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">&nb=
sp;</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">a p=
usher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped. and spal =
is the go to brand. still need the horn holes and gap between c=
ross member and rad blocked. cardboard and zip ties does the trick qu=
ickly and can be replaced with a more permanent solution later if you =
want. also need a fan shroud. </span></a></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">&nb=
sp;</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">per=
sonally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a small 13=
" flex fan on the water pump pulley. that creates enough pull through=
the radiator at idle.</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">&nb=
sp;</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">if =
its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem entirel=
y and there are a variety of other things to check.</span></a></span><=
/p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">&nb=
sp;</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">in =
my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions (slowing=
down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a particular al=
titude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem. there are a bu=
nch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but i'=
ve only suffered from it once.</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">&nb=
sp;</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">one=
thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the tiger ove=
r the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose. at lea=
st you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with thermostat o=
r water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, even how bloc=
ked the radiator is.</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">&nb=
sp;</span></a></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tec=
htips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;=
"> </span></a></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">On =
Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <<u><span style=3D=
"color: blue;">tigers@autox.team.net</span></u>> wrote:</span></a></span=
></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border: none; border-left: solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt; paddin=
g: 0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;">
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 18.0pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">I&r=
squo;ve been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more that a =
decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans,=
and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on this issue. Jus=
t check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first place=
to start is knowing what the actual engine team really is. We al=
l know that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as a dy=
ed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford =
engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not necessarily =
a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I’m =
not really sure is does anything. My original guage can show 225-=
230 on a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has pucked ou=
t fluid. The design of the should is an issue. It lets hot air from th=
e engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, ‘fixes&rs=
quo; that can be done. However, on a hot low humidity day.. well good =
luck. JMO</span> </a></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"> &n=
bsp;</span></a></span></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;">
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;">On =
Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <<u><span style=3D"color: blue;"=
>aballard@ix.netcom.com</span></u>> wrote:</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-=
family: serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips=
/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noop=
ener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"> &n=
bsp;</span></a></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>The article includes several suggestions.</span> </a></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
> </span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the =
bottom.</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
> </span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>A list member offered a piece he fabricated.</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
> </span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later t=
his year.</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
> </span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.</span></a></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
> </span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>Allan Ballard</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>Mk1a Tiger</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
> </span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a hre=
f=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp"; t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color:=
#26282a; text-decoration: none;"><image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg></s=
pan></a></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>Sent from my iPhone</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
> </span></a></span></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;">
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a hre=
f=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp"; t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color:=
#26282a; text-decoration: none;">On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman=
<<u><span style=3D"color: blue;">jay.laifman@gmail.com</span></u>> w=
rote:</span></a></span></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? <u><span style=3D"color=
: blue;">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifm=
anValance1.asp</span></u> </span></a></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
> </span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>It works great in Southern California heat.</span></a></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
> </span></a></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <<u><span style=3D"co=
lor: blue;">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</span></u>> wrote:</span></a></span></=
p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border: none; border-left: solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt; paddin=
g: 0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;">
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas. I've r=
ead through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of=
the suggested modifications. They listed two different pusher electr=
ic fans in the article but both of them are no longer available. </span></a=
></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
> </span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan? If so, what part nu=
mbers?</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2557846792MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt; font-f=
amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
tips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: #26282a; text-decoration: none;"=
> </span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
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amily: sans-serif; color: #26282a;"><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/tech=
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