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Tiger Running hot =E2=80=93 Shotgun Approach after time of trying baby step=
s.
After about a year of struggling with car running hot at idle with thehood =
down, Hot to me is 195 degrees and above. I took drastic steps.=C2=A0 I hav=
e been driving the car during the last yearonly on back roads with not much=
chance of traffic lights and traffic.=C2=A0 I live in rural NC outside of =
Pinehurst.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Bloody yahoo mail formatting ruined numberin=
g copied from MS Word, so please ignore.=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. Purchased and installed Sunbeam Specialties (=
SS) gloss black radiator overflow tank, missing from car.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Ale=
xander Washick=C2=A0alw6464@gmail.com which are powder coated, missing from=
car. =20
- Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert Stragh=
an=C2=A0<rgstraghan@yahoo.ca> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black
- Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen=C2=A0<d=
lutjen55@gmail.com> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.
- Purchased and installed new taller custom aluminum cross flow side tan=
k radiator from Griffin Radiator.
- Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Fo=
rd dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line u=
p.
- Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D =
from radiator.
- Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-Lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.
- Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator=
hoses.
- New top radiator hose from local source, as SS hose would not fit tall=
er radiator.
- New fan belt.
- Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fi=
t as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my=
taller radiator.=C2=A0 Striped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss =
black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.
- Installed 160 degree thermostat from 180.=C2=A0 Could not find 170 deg=
ree.=C2=A0 If anyone has a part number and supplier for a 170-degree thermo=
stat, please forward.
So at this point I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unlessmake up a custo=
m.=C2=A0 Other changes couldmake is front air dam and block front cross mem=
ber to bottom of radiator spacingbut for now I am going to see how things p=
lay out this summer.
=C2=A0Ok after all the above I was still not satisfied withwatching the tem=
perature gauge increase while at idle or in stop and gotraffic.=C2=A0 Goal =
was to keep thetemperature at ALL times between 180 and 190 degrees whether=
driving or atidle.
=C2=A0The following changes have been made since the abovechanges 1-13 afte=
r trial period of 6 months or so.
=C2=A0The Flow Kooler water pump started leaking so I purchased the SS wate=
r pump and installed it and drove for a month or so.=C2=A0 Install error on=
the Flow Kooler water pump gasket turned out to be the problem.=C2=A0 The =
SS water pump actually raised idle temps 2-3 degrees so I would later reins=
tall the Flow Kooler with a new gasket.
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- Installed a couple of 12=E2=80=9D electric pusher fans I had in the ga=
rage and wired a manual off/on switch under the dash with a relay.=C2=A0 No=
t much help or change in idle temperature while at stoplights or stop\go tr=
affic.
- Built and installed a custom fan shroud.=C2=A0 Remember I have an over=
size Griffin radiator.=C2=A0 This change resulted in idle temp. drop by may=
be 2-3 degrees.=C2=A0 Goal not achieve at this point but getting better.
- I then discussed issue with Flex-a-lite technical services hot line (m=
ultiple times) regarding their electric pusher fan line.
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- The rule of thumb they recommend:=C2=A0 Electric fans of either the pu=
sher or puller type should be that the electric fan should cover 70% of the=
radiator surface.=C2=A0 Mine came out to 69.5% coverage.
- Small block V-8 engines recommendation is=C2=A0 3,000 CFM.
- Flex - a- Lite had only 1 fan that met these specifications.
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=C2=A0
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FLX-105391
Electric Fan, Pusher, Flex-Wave, Single, 16 in. Diameter, 3,000 cfm, Black=
, 20 amps,=C2=A0=20
(Mfr. #: 239)=20
|
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- Also purchased temp probe and relay from Flex =E2=80=93 a Lite which i=
s adjustable so you can set when the fan comes on.=C2=A0 Off is 10 degrees =
from on temp and is NOT adjustable.
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FLX-121281
Fan Control, Compact, Adjustable, Thread-in Probe, Single Fan, Kit=20
(Mfr. #: 33095)=20
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 e. Also purcha=
sed temperature probe adapter and installed in the upper radiator hose.
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=C2=A0
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FLX-107078
Radiator Hose Adapter, Aluminum, Fits 1 1/2 in. Hose, Has Two 1/4 in. NPT =
Ports, Includes One Plug, Each=20
(Mfr. #: 32082)=20
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The idea was torun the stock temp gauge probe=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 intot=
he adapter and keep my mechanical temperature gauge in place in the manifol=
dto verify stock gauge was pretty accurate.=C2=A0The =C2=BC NPT port would =
not handle the stock probe and I could not find 1/4probe with the correct o=
hms for the stock gauge, so manual temp gauge is stillin place which I beli=
eve is accurate.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0f.=C2=A0 Goal still not achieved
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- Flex - a - Lite then offered the following advice =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CY=
ou typically only need one or the other. If you have a mechanical fan and j=
ust want extra cooling in stop and go traffic, I suggest you use a much sma=
ller electric fan. But using both a mechanical and this bigger electric fan=
will probably cause some disruption.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 The two smaller electr=
ic fans I used did not work in my case, so advice about smaller electric fa=
n in conjunction with mechanical water pump fan did not work in my particul=
ar car.
=C2=A0Plan =E2=80=A6. Reinstalled the Flow Kooler water pump with new gaske=
t.
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- Removed the mechanical fan from the water pump and the 1=E2=80=9D spac=
er.=C2=A0 Finally success!=C2=A0 Temp stays between 176 and 190 at ALL time=
s regardless of ambient temperature and traffic conditions. So, in my case,=
the mechanical fan in conjunction with the electric fan was causing air fl=
ow disruption.
- =C2=A0The temp at speed above 35 mph, the car runs around 176 degrees =
with 160 degree thermostat in temps 90 degrees and less.=C2=A0 About 183 in=
temperatures above 90, so not a issue. I might try out the 180 degree ther=
mostat at some point, 170 if I could find one might be optimum for my car.=
=C2=A0 The only down side for me is the electric fan is noisy when running =
and volts on volt gauge drops around =C2=BD - =C2=BE- volt when the fan com=
es on.. The battery volts dropping are due to fan drawing 20 amps. This has=
not been a issue with lights on or off. I have a alternator and not the ge=
nerator so with generator cars, this might be an issue.=C2=A0 Now I cannot =
hear the electric fan at all inside the car but outside, it is noisy when r=
unning.=C2=A0 Headers, 2.25" exhaust pipes with Flow Master series 40 muffl=
ers.=C2=A0 I wonder why I cannot hear fan running.
=C2=A0So you see I have tried almost all recommendedsuggestions except lowe=
r shroud addition and air dam to direct airflow.
=C2=A0Every car reacts differently to changesand you have to keep trying di=
fferent approaches that might work for your carand temperature\humidity of =
the area you reside.
=C2=A0What changes I have made to me that hadthe biggest result and what wo=
uld I try again in what order to minimize cost,effort and work involved.
Yahoo formatting again.=20
Test temp gauge and sender to ensure reading properly. =20
- Ensure radiator in good working order.
- Change thermostat from 180 to 170 then 160.
- Install horn block off plates, minimal cost and about 1 hour to instal=
l.
- Fan shroud if you do not have one, 2-3 degrees improvement in my case,=
custom made.=C2=A0 Possible making of the lower portion of the shroud as w=
ell, which I have not done.
- Undersize water pump pulley and at same time, try a different mechanic=
al fan and ensure fan is 1=E2=80=9D from radiator.
- Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680, 2-3 degrees improvement in my case
- New Griffin radiator.=C2=A0 They sell a package for the Tiger with rad=
iator, electric fan and shroud.=C2=A0 Remember my radiator is a custom over=
size radiator install by previous owner and the stock Griffin radiator or p=
ackage would not work in my case but I have installed a new custom Griffin =
radiator.
- Remove mechanical fan and install electric pusher fan that covers 70% =
of your radiator surface and moves 3,000 cfm=E2=80=99s as recommended for s=
mall block V-8 motors. Items 8 and 9 could be in reverse order and step 9 w=
ill not necessary if you purchase the Griffin Tiger package, your call.
=C2=A0So you see I have tried almost allrecommended suggestions except lowe=
r shroud addition and air dam to direct airflow and have finally met my goa=
l of keeping the temperature between 180 to 190degrees in all driving condi=
tions.=C2=A0 Ihope my trials and findings will help you moving forward.=C2=
=A0 Any questions, please ask.
=C2=A0Regards
Joel Martin
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=C2=A0 1. Re: Cooling Fan (LARRY PAULICK)
Joe, I did an article for Tigers United, that describes with photographs wh=
at I did for the full fans shroud.
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BTW, Tigers United has a lot of great articles covering the variety of subj=
ects. You might want to check it out.=C2=A0
On Jul 19, 2023, at 10:31 AM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for all of the replies.=C2=A0 I have a mostly stock engine (with Ede=
lbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator.=C2=A0 I have a temperature ga=
uge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a little over 200 at =
idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car.=C2=A0 My problem=
right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when the temperature wa=
s over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and shut the engine of=
f it puked some water onto the floor.=C2=A0 The temp gauge was showing arou=
nd 250 degrees at that point.=C2=A0=C2=A0
I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some horn op=
ening covers today.=C2=A0 I will also look at blocking off the area below t=
he radiator.=C2=A0 I have read all of the articles that people have referre=
d to and I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds.=C2=A0 So I was =
just looking for pusher fan recommendations at this point.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
The best advice is to probably not drive in 100+ degree weather.
Thanks,Joe Brown
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tiger=
, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes throu=
gh the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the radiat=
or again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own radiat=
or.=C2=A0 It works.=C2=A0
On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
I think michael hit the nail on the head.=C2=A0 first need to know is it ov=
erheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.=C2=A0 and sp=
al is the go to brand.=C2=A0 =C2=A0still need the horn holes and gap betwee=
n cross member and rad blocked.=C2=A0 cardboard and zip ties does the trick=
quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent=C2=A0solution later if y=
ou want.=C2=A0 also need a fan shroud.
personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a small=
13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.=C2=A0 that creates enough pull thro=
ugh the radiator at idle.
if its=C2=A0overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem enti=
rely and there are a variety=C2=A0of other things to check.
in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions=C2=A0(slow=
ing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a particular=
altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.=C2=A0 there are a=
bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but=
i've=C2=A0only suffered from it once.
one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the tiger =
over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.=C2=A0 at =
least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with thermosta=
t or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, even how b=
locked the radiator is.
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <tigers@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
I=E2=80=99ve been reading=C2=A0about cooling issues with tigers for more th=
at a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher =
fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on=C2=A0this issue=
. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first =
place to start is=C2=A0knowing what the actual=C2=A0engine team really is. =
We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as=
a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, =
Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not=C2=A0necessa=
rily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=
=80=99m not really sure is does=C2=A0anything. My=C2=A0original guage can s=
how 225-230 on =C2=A0a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has p=
ucked out fluid. The design of the should is an=C2=A0issue. It lets hot air=
from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=
=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be=C2=A0done. However, on a hot low humidity day=
.. well good luck. JMO
On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
The article includes several suggestions.
One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the b=
ottom.
A list member offered a piece he fabricated.
I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later th=
is year.
Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.
Allan BallardMk1a Tiger
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On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFHave you looked at this cooling suggestions? =C2=A0http://tigersun=
ited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp
It works great in Southern California heat.
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> w=
rote:
My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.=C2=A0 I've re=
ad through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of =
the suggested modifications.=C2=A0 They listed two different pusher electri=
c fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.
So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, what part num=
bers?
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<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Tiger Running hot =E2=80=93 Shotgun Appro=
ach after time of trying baby steps.</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">After about a year of struggling with car=
running hot at idle with the
hood down, Hot to me is 195 degrees and above. I took drastic steps.<span>&=
nbsp; </span>I have been driving the car during the last year
only on back roads with not much chance of traffic lights and traffic.<span=
> </span>I live in rural NC outside of Pinehurst.</span></font></p>
<div class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font=
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"> =
;</span></font><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt"> Bloody yahoo mail formatting ruined=
numbering copied from MS Word, so please ignore. <br></span></font><=
/div><div class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New=
Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"> 1. Purc=
hased and
installed Sunbeam Specialties (SS) gloss black radiator overflow tank,
missing from car.</span></font></div><div class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNorma=
l" dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Rom=
an"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"> 2=
. Purchased and
installed overflow tank straps from <span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirt=
lidzssg">Alexander
Washick</span><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"> <a href=3D"m=
ailto:alw6464@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">alw6464@gmail.c=
om</a> which are powder
coated</span>, missing from car.<span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf">=
</span></span></font></div><ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"1" start=3D=
"1"><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf=
"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New R=
oman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed undersize wa=
ter pump
pulley from </span></font></span><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlid=
zssg">Robert
Straghan</span><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"> <rgstrag=
han@yahoo.ca>
scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black</span></li><li class=3D"y=
dpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"b=
ackground-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed horn hole block plates
from </span></font></span><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlidzssg">D=
on Lutjen</span><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"> <dlutjen55@g=
mail.com> scuffed, primed and
painted semi gloss black.</span></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal=
"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: in=
herit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt=
">Purchased and installed new taller custom
aluminum cross flow side tank radiator from Griffin Radiator.</span></=
font></span></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68=
ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=
=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and install=
ed new Flow Kooler water
pump BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS wate=
r
pump, pressed hub to line up.</span></font></span></li><li class=3D"yd=
pc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"ba=
ckground-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front
of fan is 1=E2=80=9D from radiator.</span></font></span></li><li class=
=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=
=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-Lite 14=E2=80=9D ny=
lon 6
blade fan.</span></font></span></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"=
><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inh=
erit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"=
>Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and
overflow to radiator hoses.</span></font></span></li><li class=3D"ydpc=
0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"back=
ground-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"=
font-size:12.0pt">New top radiator hose from local source, as SS
hose would not fit taller radiator.</span></font></span></li><li class=
=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=
=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12.0pt">New fan belt.</span></font></span></li><li class=
=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=
=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan
shroud which would not fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud =
top
mounting bracket to fit my taller radiator.<span> </span>Striped=
, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss black =E2=80=93
sitting on shelf.</span></font></span></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1Mso=
Normal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-col=
or: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12.0pt">Installed 160 degree thermostat from 180.<span> </span>Could =
not find 170 degree.<span> </span>If anyone has a part number and
supplier for a 170-degree thermostat, please forward.</span></font></s=
pan></li></ol>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><fo=
nt style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">So at this point I do not have a fan shro=
ud =E2=80=93 unless
make up a custom.<span> </span>Other changes could
make is front air dam and block front cross member to bottom of radiator sp=
acing
but for now I am going to see how things play out this summer.</span></font=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><fo=
nt style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"> Ok after all the above I was still =
not satisfied with
watching the temperature gauge increase while at idle or in stop and go
traffic.<span> </span>Goal was to keep the
temperature at ALL times between 180 and 190 degrees whether driving or at
idle.</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><fo=
nt style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"> The following changes have been mad=
e since the above
changes 1-13 after trial period of 6 months or so.</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><fo=
nt style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></span><span class=3D=
"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"=
3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">The Flow Koole=
r water pump started leaking so I
purchased the SS water pump and installed it and drove for a month or
so.<span> </span>Install error on the Flow
Kooler water pump gasket turned out to be the problem.<span> </s=
pan>The SS water pump actually raised idle
temps 2-3 degrees so I would later reinstall the Flow Kooler with a ne=
w
gasket.</span></font></span></p><ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"1=
" start=3D"1"><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1=
uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"T=
imes New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Installed a couple of 12=
=E2=80=9D electric pusher fans I
had in the garage and wired a manual off/on switch under the dash with=
a
relay.<span> </span>Not much help or change in
idle temperature while at stoplights or stop\go traffic.</span></font>=
</span></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1un=
cz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Tim=
es New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Built and installed a custom=
fan shroud.<span> </span>Remember I have an oversize Griffin
radiator.<span> </span>This change resulted in
idle temp. drop by maybe 2-3 degrees.<span>
</span>Goal not achieve at this point but getting better.</span></font=
></span></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1u=
ncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Ti=
mes New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">I then discussed issue with=
Flex-a-lite technical
services hot line (multiple times) regarding their electric pusher fan
line.</span></font></span></li><ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"a"=
start=3D"1"><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1u=
ncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Ti=
mes New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">The rule of thumb they reco=
mmend:<span> </span>Electric fans of either the pusher or
puller type should be that the electric fan should cover 70% of the
radiator surface.<span> </span>Mine came out
to 69.5% coverage.</span></font></span></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1M=
soNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-c=
olor: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.0pt">Small block V-8 engines recommendation is<span> </span>3,00=
0 CFM.</span></font></span></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span cl=
ass=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" si=
ze=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Flex - a=
- Lite had only 1 fan that met these
specifications.</span></font></span></li></ol></ol>
<table style=3D"width:369.75pt; mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in=
0in 0in" class=3D"yahoo-compose-table-card" width=3D"493" cellspacing=3D"0=
" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0">
<tbody><tr>
<td style=3D"width:2.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in" width=3D"3">
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"> <font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times Ne=
w Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"></span></font></p>
</td>
<td style=3D"width:367.25pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in" width=3D"490" valign=
=3D"top">
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Arial" colo=
r=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;fo=
nt-weight:bold"><a href=3D"https://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-105391"; r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><font color=3D"black"><span style=3D"colo=
r:black">FLX-105391</span></font></a></span></font></b><font size=3D"1" fac=
e=3D"Arial" color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l; color:black"><br>
Electric Fan, Pusher, Flex-Wave, Single, 16 in. Diameter, 3,000 cfm, Blac=
k,
20 amps,<span> </span><br>
(Mfr. #: 239) </span></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"1" start=3D"4"><ol style=3D"margin-top=
:0in" type=3D"a" start=3D"4"><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=
=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Also purch=
ased temp probe and relay from Flex =E2=80=93
a Lite which is adjustable so you can set when the fan comes on.<span=
> </span>Off is 10 degrees from on temp and is
NOT adjustable.</span></font></span></li></ol></ol>
<table style=3D"width:6.25in; mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0=
in 0in" class=3D"yahoo-compose-table-card" width=3D"600" cellspacing=3D"0" =
cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0">
<tbody><tr>
<td style=3D"width:7.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in" width=3D"10">
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roma=
n"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><img data-inlineimagemanipulating=3D"tr=
ue" width=3D"10" height=3D"17" border=3D"0"></span></font></p>
</td>
<td style=3D"width:148.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in" width=3D"198" valign=
=3D"top">
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Arial" colo=
r=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;fo=
nt-weight:bold"><a href=3D"https://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-121281"; r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><font color=3D"black"><span style=3D"colo=
r:black">FLX-121281</span></font></a></span></font></b><font size=3D"1" fac=
e=3D"Arial" color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l; color:black"><br>
Fan Control, Compact, Adjustable, Thread-in Probe, Single Fan, Kit <br>
(Mfr. #: 33095) </span></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
<div class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><=
font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roma=
n"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><span> &nb=
sp; e. A</span></span></font></span><span class=3D"=
ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3=
" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">lso purchased t=
emperature probe adapter and
installed in the upper radiator hose.</span></font></span></div>
<table style=3D"width:6.25in; mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0=
in 0in" class=3D"yahoo-compose-table-card" width=3D"600" cellspacing=3D"0" =
cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0">
<tbody><tr>
<td style=3D"width:7.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in" width=3D"10">
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"> <font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times Ne=
w Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"></span></font></p>
</td>
<td style=3D"width:148.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in" width=3D"198" valign=
=3D"top">
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Arial" colo=
r=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;fo=
nt-weight:bold"><a href=3D"https://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-107078"; r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><font color=3D"black"><span style=3D"colo=
r:black">FLX-107078</span></font></a></span></font></b><font size=3D"1" fac=
e=3D"Arial" color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l; color:black"><br>
Radiator Hose Adapter, Aluminum, Fits 1 1/2 in. Hose, Has Two 1/4 in. NPT
Ports, Includes One Plug, Each <br>
(Mfr. #: 32082) </span></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span class=
=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=
=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">The idea w=
as to
run the stock temp gauge probe<span> </span>into
the adapter and keep my mechanical temperature gauge in place in the manifo=
ld
to verify stock gauge was pretty accurate.<span>
</span>The =C2=BC NPT port would not handle the stock probe and I could not=
find 1/4
probe with the correct ohms for the stock gauge, so manual temp gauge is st=
ill
in place which I believe is accurate.</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><fo=
nt style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">  =
; f.<span> </span>Goal still not a=
chieved</span></font></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"1" start=3D"5"><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac=
1MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;tab-stops:list .5i=
n"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: i=
nherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black"><span style=3D=
"font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Flex - a - Lite then offered the
following advice =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9C</span></font></span>You typically=
only need one or
the other. If you have a mechanical fan and just want extra cooling in
stop and go traffic, I suggest you use a much smaller electric fan. Bu=
t
using both a mechanical and this bigger electric fan will probably cau=
se
some disruption.=E2=80=9D<span> </span>The two smaller
electric fans I used did not work in my case, so advice about smaller
electric fan in conjunction with mechanical water pump fan did not wor=
k in
my particular car.</li></ol>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font><font size=3D"3" face=
=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; =
color:black">Plan =E2=80=A6. Reinstalled the Flow Kooler water pump with ne=
w
gasket.</span></font></p><ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"1" star=
t=3D"5"><ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"a" start=3D"1"><li class=3D"yd=
pc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"blac=
k"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Removed the mechanica=
l fan from the water pump and the 1=E2=80=9D
spacer.<span> </span>Finally success!<span> </span>Temp s=
tays between 176 and 190 at ALL
times regardless of ambient temperature and traffic conditions. So, i=
n my
case, the mechanical fan in conjunction with the electric fan was cau=
sing
air flow disruption.</span></font></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNor=
mal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black"><span> </span>The temp at spee=
d
above 35 mph, the car runs around 176 degrees with 160 degree thermos=
tat
in temps 90 degrees and less.<span> About 183 in temperatures a=
bove 90, so not a issue. </span>I
might try out the 180 degree thermostat at some point, 170 if I could
find one might be optimum for my car.<span>
</span>The only down side for me is the electric fan is noisy when
running and volts on volt gauge drops around =C2=BD - =C2=BE- volt wh=
en the fan
comes on.. The battery volts dropping are due to fan drawing 20 amps.=
This
has not been a issue with lights on or off. I have a alternator and n=
ot
the generator so with generator cars, this might be an issue.<span>&n=
bsp; </span>Now I cannot hear the electric fan <b><span style=3D"font-weigh=
t:bold">at all</span></b> inside the car but outside, it
is noisy when running.<span> </span>Headers,
2.25" exhaust pipes with Flow Master series 40 mufflers.<span> =
</span>I wonder why I cannot hear fan
running.</span></font></li></ol></ol>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">So you see I have tried almost all recomme=
nded
suggestions except lower shroud addition and air dam to direct airflow.</sp=
an></font></p>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> Every c=
ar reacts differently to changes
and you have to keep trying different approaches that might work for your c=
ar
and temperature\humidity of the area you reside.</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> What ch=
anges I have made to me that had
the biggest result and what would I try again in what order to minimize cos=
t,
effort and work involved.</span></font></p>
<div class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font=
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12.0pt;color:black">Yahoo formatting again. <br></span></font></div><div=
class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman" c=
olor=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Test
temp gauge and sender to ensure reading properly.</span></font></div><=
ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"1" start=3D"1"><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1=
MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in=
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black"><span style=3D"=
font-size:12.0pt">Ensure
radiator in good working order.</span></font></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f6=
8ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list =
.5in"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Change
thermostat from 180 to 170 then 160.</span></font></li><li class=3D"yd=
pc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:=
list .5in"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Install
horn block off plates, minimal cost and about 1 hour to install.</span=
></font></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-li=
st:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New R=
oman" color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Fan
shroud if you do not have one, 2-3 degrees improvement in my case, cus=
tom
made.<span> </span>Possible making of the lower
portion of the shroud as well, which I have not done.</span></font></l=
i><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-list:l1 level=
1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font sty=
le=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman" color=
=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Undersize wate=
r pump pulley and
at same time, try a different mechanical fan and ensure fan is 1=E2=80=
=9D from
radiator.</span></font></span></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" =
style=3D"color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" siz=
e=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;color:windowtext">Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680,
</span></font></span>2-3 degrees improvement in my case</li><li class=
=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-=
stops:list .5in"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font style=3D"backg=
round-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black">=
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">New Griffin radiator.<spa=
n> </span>They sell a package for the Tiger with
radiator, electric fan and shroud.<span>
</span>Remember my radiator is a custom oversize radiator install by
previous owner and the stock Griffin radiator or package would not wor=
k in
my case but I have installed a new custom Griffin radiator.</span></fo=
nt></span></li><li class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-=
list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrp=
vf"><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New=
Roman" color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">R=
emove mechanical fan and
install electric pusher fan that covers 70% of your radiator surface <=
b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">and </span></b>moves 3,000 cfm=E2=80=99s=
as recommended
for small block V-8 motors. Items 8 and 9 could be in reverse order an=
d
step 9 will not necessary if you purchase the Griffin Tiger package, y=
our
call.</span></font></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
color=3D"black"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> So you =
see I have tried almost all
recommended suggestions except lower shroud addition and air dam to direct =
air
flow and have finally met my goal of keeping the temperature between 180 to=
190
degrees in all driving conditions.<span> </span>I
hope my trials and findings will help you moving forward. Any questio=
ns, please ask.<br></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><fo=
nt style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"> Regards</span></font></span></p>
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7ymsg4227467009"><div id=3D"ydp13ded387yiv1795206936"><div>Joe, I did an ar=
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sp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 10:31 AM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> w=
rote:</div><br class=3D"ydp13ded387yiv1795206936Apple-interchange-newline">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for all of the replies. I have a mostly =
stock engine (with Edelbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator. I=
have a temperature gauge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run=
a little over 200 at idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the=
car. My problem right now is that I took the car out one afternoon w=
hen the temperature was over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage =
and shut the engine off it puked some water onto the floor. The temp =
gauge was showing around 250 degrees at that point. <div><br></d=
iv><div>I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some=
horn opening covers today. I will also look at blocking off the area=
below the radiator. I have read all of the articles that people have=
referred to and I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds. S=
o I was just looking for pusher fan recommendations at this point. &n=
bsp;</div><div><br></div><div>The best advice is to probably not drive in 1=
00+ degree weather.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at =
8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox=
.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>>=
wrote:<br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydp13ded387yiv179520=
6936gmail_quote"><div>I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exi=
st for the stock tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle a=
nd the air comes through the radiator down towards the ground and circles b=
ack through the radiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot ai=
r from your own radiator. It works. <br><div><br><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">owain.lloyd@g=
mail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family=
: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; lette=
r-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nor=
mal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style: =
solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">I think michael hit the nail o=
n the head. first need to know is it overheating when stationary / mo=
ving slowly or at speed?<div><br></div><div>a pusher fan will only help at =
very low speed or when stopped. and spal is the go to brand. &n=
bsp;still need the horn holes and gap between cross member and rad blocked.=
cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly and can be replaced wi=
th a more permanent solution later if you want. also need a fan =
shroud.<div><br></div><div>personally i've never needed the electric pusher=
fan because i have a small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley. th=
at creates enough pull through the radiator at idle.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem e=
ntirely and there are a variety of other things to check.</div></div><=
div><br></div><div>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain co=
nditions (slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps=
above a particular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem=
. there are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a ca=
rb heat shield, but i've only suffered from it once.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in th=
e tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.&n=
bsp; at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with t=
hermostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, ev=
en how blocked the radiator is.</div><div><br></div></div><br style=3D"font=
-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400=
; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-spa=
ce: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-=
style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; let=
ter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: n=
ormal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style=
: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;" class=3D"ydp13ded387yiv17952=
06936gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_a=
ttr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <<a href=
=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tigers=
@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=
=3D"ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_quote"><div><font size=3D"4">I=E2=80=99ve=
been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more that a decade =
(much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and sh=
rouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on this issue. Just check=
STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first place to sta=
rt is knowing what the actual engine team really is. We all know =
that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in t=
he wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines=
can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not necessarily a bad t=
hing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not r=
eally sure is does anything. My original guage can show 225-230 o=
n a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out flu=
id. The design of the should is an issue. It lets hot air from the eng=
ine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=
=99 that can be done. However, on a hot low humidity day.. well good l=
uck. JMO</font><div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 18, 2023=
, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <<a href=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com"; r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>> wrote:</di=
v><br><div><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-sty=
le: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; tex=
t-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-=
line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcol=
or; float: none; display: inline;">The article includes several suggestions=
.</span><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-tr=
ansform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line=
: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"=
><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-styl=
e: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text=
-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-l=
ine: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolo=
r;">One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at t=
he bottom.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font=
-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px;=
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decorat=
ion-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: curren=
tcolor;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; f=
ont-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0=
px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-deco=
ration-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: cur=
rentcolor;">A list member offered a piece he fabricated.</div><div style=3D=
"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: =
400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-=
space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decorati=
on-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weigh=
t: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; whi=
te-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decor=
ation-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">I obtained one an=
d here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this year.</div><di=
v style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; fon=
t-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: no=
ne; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; tex=
t-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><br></div>=
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">Even a =
few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.</div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; let=
ter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: n=
ormal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-style=
: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><br></div><div style=3D"font=
-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space=
: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decoration-st=
yle: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">Allan Ballard</div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-w=
eight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;=
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-d=
ecoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">Mk1a Tiger</d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: norma=
l; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transfo=
rm: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: non=
e; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><br>=
</div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: no=
rmal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-tran=
sform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: =
none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"><=
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b0811"><image0.jpeg></span><span id=3D"ydp13ded387yiv1795206936m_8164=
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type=3D"cite">On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <<a href=3D"mail=
to:jay.laifman@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jay.laifman@gm=
ail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling =
suggestions? <a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifman=
Valance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.a=
sp</a><div><br></div><div>It works great in Southern California heat.</div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:4=
2=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; rel=3D"=
nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydp13ded387yiv1795206936gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texa=
s. I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I wi=
ll make some of the suggested modifications. They listed two differen=
t pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer availa=
ble.<div><br></div><div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?&nb=
sp; If so, what part numbers?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jo=
e Brown</div></div>_______________________________________________<br><br><=
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