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As I was reading your "journey" when you got to the Flex-a-Lite fan
(initial item #6) I thought it might be suspect. Most people seem to
have success with the Maverick fan, the Volvo fan or a particular Derale
fan. I can see where a pusher fan might impede airflow of a mechanical
puller fan but not the other way where a puller fan impedes the flow of
a pusher fan. That said given the "Flex" aspect of the Flex-a-Lite fan I
wonder if it creates a "wall of wind" and was causing the overheating
issue. Without smoke to see the flow of air movement I'm always baffled
by things that blow over - and those that don't, leaves that deposit in
one area of the yard - and not another. So, whatever the flex fan was
doing it seems germane to the itself as others have not had the same
issue with the recommended fans and a pusher fan. I won't ask if the fan
was installed backwards (you seen way smarter than that) but does the
possibility exist that the fan design was for counter rotation? With
serpentine belts in cars these days the rotation of the water pump is
often opposite of earlier engines of the same design. The good news is
that you found a solution to your problem. Enjoy the ride.
On 7/20/2023 7:47 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers wrote:
>
> Tiger Running hot â?? Shotgun Approach after time of trying baby steps.
>
> After about a year of struggling with car running hot at idle with the
> hood down, Hot to me is 195 degrees and above. I took drastic steps.I
> have been driving the car during the last year only on back roads with
> not much chance of traffic lights and traffic.I live in rural NC
> outside of Pinehurst.
>
> Bloody yahoo mail formatting ruined numbering copied from MS Word, so
> please ignore.
> Â Â Â Â 1. Purchased and installed Sunbeam Specialties (SS) gloss black
> radiator overflow tank, missing from car.
> Â Â Â Â Â Â 2. Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander
> Washickalw6464@gmail.com which are powder coated, missing from car.
>
> 1. Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert
> Straghan<rgstraghan@yahoo.ca> scuffed, primed and painted semi
> gloss black
> 2. Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don
> Lutjen<dlutjen55@gmail.com> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss
> black.
> 3. Purchased and installed new taller custom aluminum cross flow side
> tank radiator from Griffin Radiator.
> 4. Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680
> painted Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump,
> pressed hub to line up.
> 5. Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1â?? from
> radiator.
> 6. Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-Lite 14â?? nylon 6 blade fan.
> 7. Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to
> radiator hoses.
> 8. New top radiator hose from local source, as SS hose would not fit
> taller radiator.
> 9. New fan belt.
> 10. Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would
> not fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting
> bracket to fit my taller radiator.Striped, primed and painted used
> shroud semi gloss black â?? sitting on shelf.
> 11. Installed 160 degree thermostat from 180.Could not find 170
> degree.If anyone has a part number and supplier for a 170-degree
> thermostat, please forward.
>
> So at this point I do not have a fan shroud â?? unless make up a
> custom.Other changes could make is front air dam and block front cross
> member to bottom of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how
> things play out this summer.
>
> Â Ok after all the above I was still not satisfied with watching the
> temperature gauge increase while at idle or in stop and go
> traffic.Goal was to keep the temperature at ALL times between 180 and
> 190 degrees whether driving or at idle.
>
> Â The following changes have been made since the above changes 1-13
> after trial period of 6 months or so.
>
> The Flow Kooler water pump started leaking so I purchased the SS water
> pump and installed it and drove for a month or so.Install error on the
> Flow Kooler water pump gasket turned out to be the problem.The SS
> water pump actually raised idle temps 2-3 degrees so I would later
> reinstall the Flow Kooler with a new gasket.
>
> 1. Installed a couple of 12â?? electric pusher fans I had in the garage
> and wired a manual off/on switch under the dash with a relay.Not
> much help or change in idle temperature while at stoplights or
> stop\go traffic.
> 2. Built and installed a custom fan shroud.Remember I have an
> oversize Griffin radiator.This change resulted in idle temp. drop
> by maybe 2-3 degrees.Goal not achieve at this point but getting
> better.
> 3. I then discussed issue with Flex-a-lite technical services hot
> line (multiple times) regarding their electric pusher fan line.
> 1. The rule of thumb they recommend:Electric fans of either the
> pusher or puller type should be that the electric fan should
> cover 70% of the radiator surface.Mine came out to 69.5% coverage.
> 2. Small block V-8 engines recommendation is3,000 CFM.
> 3. Flex - a- Lite had only 1 fan that met these specifications.
>
>
>
> *FLX-105391 <https://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-105391>*
> Electric Fan, Pusher, Flex-Wave, Single, 16 in. Diameter, 3,000 cfm,
> Black, 20 amps,
> (Mfr. #: 239)
>
> 4. Also purchased temp probe and relay from Flex â?? a Lite which
> is adjustable so you can set when the fan comes on.Off is 10
> degrees from on temp and is NOT adjustable.
>
>
>
> *FLX-121281 <https://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-121281>*
> Fan Control, Compact, Adjustable, Thread-in Probe, Single Fan, Kit
> (Mfr. #: 33095)
>
> e. Also purchased temperature probe adapter and installed in the upper
> radiator hose.
>
>
>
> *FLX-107078 <https://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-107078>*
> Radiator Hose Adapter, Aluminum, Fits 1 1/2 in. Hose, Has Two 1/4 in.
> NPT Ports, Includes One Plug, Each
> (Mfr. #: 32082)
>
> The idea was to run the stock temp gauge probeinto the adapter and
> keep my mechanical temperature gauge in place in the manifold to
> verify stock gauge was pretty accurate.The ¼ NPT port would not handle
> the stock probe and I could not find 1/4 probe with the correct ohms
> for the stock gauge, so manual temp gauge is still in place which I
> believe is accurate.
>
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â f.Goal still not achieved
>
> 5. Flex - a - Lite then offered the following advice â?? â??You typically
> only need one or the other. If you have a mechanical fan and just
> want extra cooling in stop and go traffic, I suggest you use a
> much smaller electric fan. But using both a mechanical and this
> bigger electric fan will probably cause some disruption.â??The two
> smaller electric fans I used did not work in my case, so advice
> about smaller electric fan in conjunction with mechanical water
> pump fan did not work in my particular car.
>
> Plan â?¦. Reinstalled the Flow Kooler water pump with new gasket.
>
> 1. Removed the mechanical fan from the water pump and the 1â??
> spacer.Finally success!Temp stays between 176 and 190 at ALL
> times regardless of ambient temperature and traffic
> conditions. So, in my case, the mechanical fan in conjunction
> with the electric fan was causing air flow disruption.
> 2. The temp at speed above 35 mph, the car runs around 176
> degrees with 160 degree thermostat in temps 90 degrees and
> less. About 183 in temperatures above 90, so not a issue. I
> might try out the 180 degree thermostat at some point, 170 if
> I could find one might be optimum for my car.The only down
> side for me is the electric fan is noisy when running and
> volts on volt gauge drops around ½ - ¾- volt when the fan
> comes on.. The battery volts dropping are due to fan drawing
> 20 amps. This has not been a issue with lights on or off. I
> have a alternator and not the generator so with generator
> cars, this might be an issue.Now I cannot hear the electric
> fan *at all* inside the car but outside, it is noisy when
> running.Headers, 2.25" exhaust pipes with Flow Master series
> 40 mufflers.I wonder why I cannot hear fan running.
>
> So you see I have tried almost all recommended suggestions except
> lower shroud addition and air dam to direct airflow.
>
> Â Every car reacts differently to changes and you have to keep trying
> different approaches that might work for your car and
> temperature\humidity of the area you reside.
>
> Â What changes I have made to me that had the biggest result and what
> would I try again in what order to minimize cost, effort and work
> involved.
>
> Yahoo formatting again.
> Test temp gauge and sender to ensure reading properly.
>
> 1. Ensure radiator in good working order.
> 2. Change thermostat from 180 to 170 then 160.
> 3. Install horn block off plates, minimal cost and about 1 hour to
> install.
> 4. Fan shroud if you do not have one, 2-3 degrees improvement in my
> case, custom made.Possible making of the lower portion of the
> shroud as well, which I have not done.
> 5. Undersize water pump pulley and at same time, try a different
> mechanical fan and ensure fan is 1â?? from radiator.
> 6. Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680, 2-3 degrees improvement in my case
> 7. New Griffin radiator.They sell a package for the Tiger with
> radiator, electric fan and shroud.Remember my radiator is a custom
> oversize radiator install by previous owner and the stock Griffin
> radiator or package would not work in my case but I have installed
> a new custom Griffin radiator.
> 8. Remove mechanical fan and install electric pusher fan that covers
> 70% of your radiator surface *and *moves 3,000 cfmâ??s as
> recommended for small block V-8 motors. Items 8 and 9 could be in
> reverse order and step 9 will not necessary if you purchase the
> Griffin Tiger package, your call.
>
> Â So you see I have tried almost all recommended suggestions except
> lower shroud addition and air dam to direct air flow and have finally
> met my goal of keeping the temperature between 180 to 190 degrees in
> all driving conditions.I hope my trials and findings will help you
> moving forward. Any questions, please ask.
>
> Â Regards
>
> Joel Martin
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 09:09:34 PM EDT,
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> Â 1. Re: Cooling Fan (LARRY PAULICK)
> Joe, I did an article for Tigers United, that describes with
> photographs what I did for the full fans shroud.
>
> TigersUnited.com
> <http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp>
> tigersunited.com
> <http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp>
> <http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp>
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> <http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp>
>
> BTW, Tigers United has a lot of great articles covering the variety of
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>
>
>> On Jul 19, 2023, at 10:31 AM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for all of the replies. I have a mostly stock engine (with
>> Edelbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator. I have a
>> temperature gauge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a
>> little over 200 at idle but I haven't had any problems while driving
>> the car. My problem right now is that I took the car out one
>> afternoon when the temperature was over 100 degrees and when I pulled
>> into the garage and shut the engine off it puked some water onto the
>> floor. The temp gauge was showing around 250 degrees at that point.
>>
>> I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some
>> horn opening covers today. I will also look at blocking off the area
>> below the radiator. I have read all of the articles that people have
>> referred to and I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds.Â
>> So I was just looking for pusher fan recommendations at this point.
>>
>> The best advice is to probably not drive in 100+ degree weather.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Brown
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33â?¯AM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers
>> <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the
>> stock tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle
>> and the air comes through the radiator down towards the ground
>> and circles back through the radiator again. So essentially
>> you're just recycling hot air from your own radiator. It works.
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think michael hit the nail on the head. first need to know is
>>> it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
>>>
>>> a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.Â
>>> and spal is the go to brand.  still need the horn holes and gap
>>> between cross member and rad blocked. cardboard and zip ties
>>> does the trick quickly and can be replaced with a more
>>> permanent solution later if you want. also need a fan shroud.
>>>
>>> personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i
>>> have a small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley. that
>>> creates enough pull through the radiator at idle.
>>>
>>> if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another
>>> problem entirely and there are a variety of other things to check.
>>>
>>> in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain
>>> conditions (slowing down after running fast in really high
>>> ambient temps above a particular altitude) rather than coolant
>>> temp which is the problem. there are a bunch of things i could
>>> do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but i've only
>>> suffered from it once.
>>>
>>> one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in
>>> the tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the
>>> rad top hose. at least you can see how the coolant is
>>> circulating which helps with thermostat or water pump issues and
>>> if you're used to how it should look, even how blocked the
>>> radiator is.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41â?¯AM Jim B via Tigers
>>> <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Iâ??ve been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more
>>> that a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking
>>> horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies
>>> have been done on this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any
>>> club site. All good reads! I think the first place to start
>>> is knowing what the actual engine team really is. We all
>>> know that the original temp guage can be off. The other
>>> thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the
>>> optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200
>>> degrees easily and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Yes,
>>> I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. Iâ??m not
>>> really sure is does anything. My original guage can show
>>> 225-230 on  a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never
>>> has pucked out fluid. The design of the should is an issue.
>>> It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get under the
>>> radiator. Many, many, â??fixesâ?? that can be done. However, on
>>> a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO
>>>
>>>> On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard
>>>> <aballard@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The article includes several suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan
>>>> shroud at the bottom.
>>>>
>>>> A list member offered a piece he fabricated.
>>>>
>>>> I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to
>>>> fit it later this year.
>>>>
>>>> Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.
>>>>
>>>> Allan Ballard
>>>> Mk1a Tiger
>>>>
>>>> <image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman
>>>>> <jay.laifman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you looked at this cooling suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It works great in Southern California heat.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42â?¯PM Joe Brown
>>>>> <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in
>>>>> Texas. I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and
>>>>> Chuck King and I will make some of the suggested
>>>>> modifications. They listed two different pusher
>>>>> electric fans in the article but both of them are no
>>>>> longer available.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan? If
>>>>> so, what part numbers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Joe Brown
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<p>As I was reading your "journey" when you got to the Flex-a-Lite
fan (initial item #6) I thought it might be suspect. Most people
seem to have success with the Maverick fan, the Volvo fan or a
particular Derale fan. I can see where a pusher fan might impede
airflow of a mechanical puller fan but not the other way where a
puller fan impedes the flow of a pusher fan. That said given the
"Flex" aspect of the Flex-a-Lite fan I wonder if it creates a
"wall of wind" and was causing the overheating issue. Without
smoke to see the flow of air movement I'm always baffled by things
that blow over - and those that don't, leaves that deposit in one
area of the yard - and not another. So, whatever the flex fan was
doing it seems germane to the itself as others have not had the
same issue with the recommended fans and a pusher fan. I won't ask
if the fan was installed backwards (you seen way smarter than
that) but does the possibility exist that the fan design was for
counter rotation? With serpentine belts in cars these days the
rotation of the water pump is often opposite of earlier engines of
the same design. The good news is that you found a solution to
your problem. Enjoy the ride.<br>
</p>
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<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times
New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Tiger Running
hot â?? Shotgun Approach after time of trying baby
steps.</span></font></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times
New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">After about a
year of struggling with car running hot at idle with
the
hood down, Hot to me is 195 degrees and above. I took
drastic steps.<span>Â </span>I have been driving the
car during the last year
only on back roads with not much chance of traffic
lights and traffic.<span>Â </span>I live in rural NC
outside of Pinehurst.</span></font></p>
<div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" dir="ltr"
data-setdir="false"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Â </span></font><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Â Â Â Â
Bloody yahoo mail formatting ruined numbering copied
from MS Word, so please ignore. <br>
</span></font></div>
<div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times
New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Â Â Â Â 1.
Purchased and installed Sunbeam Specialties (SS) gloss
black radiator overflow tank, missing from
car.</span></font></div>
<div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" dir="ltr"
data-setdir="false"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Â Â Â Â Â Â 2. Purchased and
installed overflow tank straps from <span
class="ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlidzssg">Alexander
Washick</span><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf">Â <a
href="mailto:alw6464@gmail.com"; rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">alw6464@gmail.com</a>
which are powder coated</span>, missing from car.<span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"></span></span></font></div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1">
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed
undersize water pump pulley from
</span></font></span><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert Straghan</span><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf">Â <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:rgstraghan@yahoo.ca";><rgstraghan@yahoo.ca></a>
scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black</span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed
horn hole block plates from </span></font></span><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlidzssg">Don Lutjen</span><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf">Â <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:dlutjen55@gmail.com";><dlutjen55@gmail.com></a>
scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.</span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed
new taller custom aluminum cross flow side tank
radiator from Griffin Radiator.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed
new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Ford
dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump,
pressed hub to line up.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Modified the mechanical
fan spacer so that front of fan is 1â?? from
radiator.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Mechanical fan remains
Flex-a-Lite 14â?? nylon 6 blade
fan.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and installed
new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator
hoses.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">New top radiator hose
from local source, as SS hose would not fit taller
radiator.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">New fan
belt.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Purchased and refurbished
original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as I
did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting
bracket to fit my taller radiator.<span>Â </span>Striped,
primed and painted used shroud semi gloss black â??
sitting on shelf.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Installed 160 degree
thermostat from 180.<span>Â </span>Could not find
170 degree.<span>Â </span>If anyone has a part
number and supplier for a 170-degree thermostat,
please forward.</span></font></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">So
at this point I do not have a fan shroud â?? unless
make up a custom.<span>Â </span>Other changes could
make is front air dam and block front cross member
to bottom of radiator spacing
but for now I am going to see how things play out
this summer.</span></font></span></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Â Ok
after all the above I was still not satisfied with
watching the temperature gauge increase while at
idle or in stop and go
traffic.<span>Â </span>Goal was to keep the
temperature at ALL times between 180 and 190 degrees
whether driving or at
idle.</span></font></span></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Â The
following changes have been made since the above
changes 1-13 after trial period of 6 months or
so.</span></font></span></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Â </span></font></span><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The
Flow Kooler water pump started leaking so I
purchased the SS water pump and installed it and
drove for a month or so.<span>Â </span>Install
error on the Flow Kooler water pump gasket turned
out to be the problem.<span>Â </span>The SS water
pump actually raised idle temps 2-3 degrees so I
would later reinstall the Flow Kooler with a new
gasket.</span></font></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1">
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Installed a couple of 12â??
electric pusher fans I had in the garage and wired
a manual off/on switch under the dash with a
relay.<span>Â </span>Not much help or change in
idle temperature while at stoplights or stop\go
traffic.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Built and installed a
custom fan shroud.<span>Â </span>Remember I have
an oversize Griffin radiator.<span>Â </span>This
change resulted in idle temp. drop by maybe 2-3
degrees.<span>Â </span>Goal not achieve at this
point but getting better.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">I then discussed issue
with Flex-a-lite technical services hot line
(multiple times) regarding their electric pusher
fan line.</span></font></span></li>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="a" start="1">
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The rule of thumb they
recommend:<span>Â </span>Electric fans of
either the pusher or puller type should be that
the electric fan should cover 70% of the
radiator surface.<span>Â </span>Mine came out
to 69.5% coverage.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Small block V-8 engines
recommendation is<span>Â </span>3,000
CFM.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Flex - a- Lite had only
1 fan that met these
specifications.</span></font></span></li>
</ol>
</ol>
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cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="width:2.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"
width="3">
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal">Â <font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"></span></font></p>
</td>
<td style="width:367.25pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"
width="490" valign="top">
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><b><font size="1"
face="Arial" color="black"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold"><a
href="https://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-105391"; rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black">FLX-105391</span></font></a></span></font></b><font
size="1" face="Arial" color="black"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black"><br>
Electric Fan, Pusher, Flex-Wave, Single, 16
in. Diameter, 3,000 cfm, Black, 20 amps,<span>Â
</span><br>
(Mfr. #: 239) </span></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="4">
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="a" start="4">
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Also purchased temp
probe and relay from Flex â?? a Lite which is
adjustable so you can set when the fan comes on.<span>Â
</span>Off is 10 degrees from on temp and is NOT
adjustable.</span></font></span></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<table style="width:6.25in;
mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"
class="yahoo-compose-table-card" width="600"
cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="width:7.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"
width="10">
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><img
data-inlineimagemanipulating="true"
moz-do-not-send="true" width="10"
height="17" border="0"></span></font></p>
</td>
<td style="width:148.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"
width="198" valign="top">
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><b><font size="1"
face="Arial" color="black"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold"><a
href="https://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-121281"; rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black">FLX-121281</span></font></a></span></font></b><font
size="1" face="Arial" color="black"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black"><br>
Fan Control, Compact, Adjustable, Thread-in
Probe, Single Fan, Kit <br>
(Mfr. #: 33095) </span></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><span>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
e. A</span></span></font></span><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">lso
purchased temperature probe adapter and installed in
the upper radiator hose.</span></font></span></div>
<table style="width:6.25in;
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class="yahoo-compose-table-card" width="600"
cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="width:7.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"
width="10">
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal">Â <font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"></span></font></p>
</td>
<td style="width:148.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"
width="198" valign="top">
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><b><font size="1"
face="Arial" color="black"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold"><a
href="https://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-107078"; rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><font
color="black"><span
style="color:black">FLX-107078</span></font></a></span></font></b><font
size="1" face="Arial" color="black"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black"><br>
Radiator Hose Adapter, Aluminum, Fits 1 1/2
in. Hose, Has Two 1/4 in. NPT Ports, Includes
One Plug, Each <br>
(Mfr. #: 32082) </span></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.75in"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The
idea was to
run the stock temp gauge probe<span>Â Â Â Â </span>into
the adapter and keep my mechanical temperature gauge
in place in the manifold
to verify stock gauge was pretty accurate.<span>Â
</span>The ¼ NPT port would not handle the stock
probe and I could not find 1/4
probe with the correct ohms for the stock gauge, so
manual temp gauge is still
in place which I believe is
accurate.</span></font></span></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â f.<span>Â
</span>Goal still not achieved</span></font></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="5">
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo2;tab-stops:list .5in"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Flex - a
- Lite then offered the following advice â??
â??</span></font></span>You
typically only need one or the other. If you have a
mechanical fan and just want extra cooling in stop and
go traffic, I suggest you use a much smaller electric
fan. But using both a mechanical and this bigger
electric fan will probably cause some disruption.â??<span>Â
</span>The two smaller electric fans I used did not work
in my case, so advice about smaller electric fan in
conjunction with mechanical water pump fan did not work
in my particular car.</li>
</ol>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times
New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Â </span></font><font
size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Plan â?¦.
Reinstalled the Flow Kooler water pump with new
gasket.</span></font></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="5">
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="a" start="1">
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Removed the
mechanical fan from the water pump and the 1â??
spacer.<span>Â </span>Finally success!<span>Â
</span>Temp
stays between 176 and 190 at ALL times regardless
of ambient temperature and traffic conditions. So,
in my case, the mechanical fan in conjunction with
the electric fan was causing air flow
disruption.</span></font></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"><span>Â </span>The
temp at speed above 35 mph, the car runs around
176 degrees with 160 degree thermostat in temps 90
degrees and less.<span>Â About 183 in temperatures
above 90, so not a issue. </span>I might try
out the 180 degree thermostat at some point, 170
if I could find one might be optimum for my car.<span>Â
</span>The only down side for me is the electric
fan is noisy when running and volts on volt gauge
drops around ½ - ¾- volt when the fan comes on..
The battery volts dropping are due to fan drawing
20 amps. This has not been a issue with lights on
or off. I have a alternator and not the generator
so with generator cars, this might be an issue.<span>Â
</span>Now I cannot hear the electric fan <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">at all</span></b>
inside the car but outside, it is noisy when
running.<span>Â </span>Headers, 2.25" exhaust
pipes with Flow Master series 40 mufflers.<span>Â
</span>I wonder why I cannot hear fan
running.</span></font></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times
New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">So you see I have tried
almost all recommended
suggestions except lower shroud addition and air dam
to direct airflow.</span></font></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times
New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â Every car reacts
differently to changes
and you have to keep trying different approaches that
might work for your car
and temperature\humidity of the area you
reside.</span></font></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times
New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â What changes I
have made to me that had
the biggest result and what would I try again in what
order to minimize cost,
effort and work involved.</span></font></p>
<div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" dir="ltr"
data-setdir="false"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Yahoo
formatting again. <br>
</span></font></div>
<div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times
New Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Test
temp gauge and sender to ensure reading
properly.</span></font></div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1">
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Ensure
radiator in good working order.</span></font></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Change
thermostat from 180 to 170 then 160.</span></font></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Install
horn block off plates, minimal cost and about 1 hour
to install.</span></font></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman" color="black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Fan
shroud if you do not have one, 2-3 degrees
improvement in my case, custom made.<span>Â </span>Possible
making of the lower portion of the shroud as well,
which I have not done.</span></font></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Undersize
water pump pulley and at same time, try a
different mechanical fan and ensure fan is 1â?? from
radiator.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Flow
Kooler water pump BRA-1680, </span></font></span>2-3
degrees improvement in my case</li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">New
Griffin radiator.<span>Â </span>They sell a
package for the Tiger with radiator, electric fan
and shroud.<span>Â </span>Remember my radiator is
a custom oversize radiator install by previous
owner and the stock Griffin radiator or package
would not work in my case but I have installed a
new custom Griffin radiator.</span></font></span></li>
<li class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1
lfo3;tab-stops:list .5in"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Remove
mechanical fan and install electric pusher fan
that covers 70% of your radiator surface <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">and </span></b>moves
3,000 cfmâ??s as recommended for small block V-8
motors. Items 8 and 9 could be in reverse order
and step 9 will not necessary if you purchase the
Griffin Tiger package, your
call.</span></font></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times
New Roman" color="black"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Â So you see I
have tried almost all
recommended suggestions except lower shroud addition
and air dam to direct air
flow and have finally met my goal of keeping the
temperature between 180 to 190
degrees in all driving conditions.<span>Â </span>I
hope my trials and findings will help you moving
forward. Any questions, please ask.<br>
</span></font></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Â Regards</span></font></span></p>
<p class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span
class="ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><font
style="background-color: inherit;" size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Joel
Martin</span></font></span></p>
<div class="ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times
New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Â </span></font></div>
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 1. Re: Cooling Fan (LARRY PAULICK)<br>
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<div>Joe, I did an article for Tigers United, that
describes with photographs what I did for the full
fans shroud.
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covering the variety of subjects. You might want
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for all of the replies.Â
I have a mostly stock engine (with Edelbrock
intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator. I
have a temperature gauge mounted on the
intake and the engine seems to run a little
over 200 at idle but I haven't had any
problems while driving the car. My problem
right now is that I took the car out one
afternoon when the temperature was over 100
degrees and when I pulled into the garage
and shut the engine off it puked some water
onto the floor. The temp gauge was showing
around 250 degrees at that point. Â
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<div>I already have the lower shroud on my
radiator and I am making some horn opening
covers today. I will also look at
blocking off the area below the radiator.Â
I have read all of the articles that
people have referred to and I believe I
have an airflow problem at low speeds. So
I was just looking for pusher fan
recommendations at this point.  </div>
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<div>The best advice is to probably not
drive in 100+ degree weather.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
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Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33â?¯AM LARRY PAULICK
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<div>I made a custom lower fan shroud, as
one does not exist for the stock tiger,
fan shroud. I did smoke test with the
car at idle and the air comes through
the radiator down towards the ground and
circles back through the radiator again.
So essentially you're just recycling hot
air from your own radiator. It works. <br>
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<div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM,
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currentcolor;">I think michael
hit the nail on the head. first
need to know is it overheating
when stationary / moving slowly
or at speed?
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<div>a pusher fan will only help
at very low speed or when
stopped. and spal is the go
to brand.  still need the
horn holes and gap between
cross member and rad blocked.Â
cardboard and zip ties does
the trick quickly and can be
replaced with a more
permanent solution later if
you want. also need a fan
shroud.
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<div>personally i've never
needed the electric pusher
fan because i have a small
13" flex fan on the water
pump pulley. that creates
enough pull through the
radiator at idle.</div>
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<div>if its overheating at
more than 30/40mph then its
another problem entirely and
there are a variety of other
things to check.</div>
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<div>in my case its fuel boiling
in the carb under certain
conditions (slowing down after
running fast in really high
ambient temps above a
particular altitude) rather
than coolant temp which is the
problem. there are a bunch of
things i could do there, most
importantly a carb heat
shield, but i've only suffered
from it once.</div>
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<div>one thing i've found very
useful for debugging cooling
issues in the tiger over the
years is having a glass gano
filter in the rad top hose.Â
at least you can see how the
coolant is circulating which
helps with thermostat or water
pump issues and if you're used
to how it should look, even
how blocked the radiator is.</div>
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<div><font size="4">Iâ??ve been
reading about cooling
issues with tigers for
more that a decade (much
less than some reading
this) blocking horn holes,
pusher fans, and shrouds
etc etc. Entire studies
have been done on this
issue. Just check STOA,
CAT or any club site. All
good reads! I think the
first place to start
is knowing what the
actual engine team really
is. We all know that the
original temp guage can be
off. The other thing is:
as a dyed in the wool ford
guy, 185 degrees is the
optimal engine temp. But,
Ford engines can get to
195-200 degrees easily and
that is not necessarily a
bad thing. Yes, I put a
pusher in mine only
because I had one. Iâ??m not
really sure is
does anything. My original
guage can show 225-230 on
 a hot day (humidity plays
a bitg role) but never has
pucked out fluid. The
design of the should is
an issue. It lets hot air
from the engine
compartment to get under
the radiator. Many, many,
â??fixesâ?? that can be done.
However, on a hot low
humidity day.. well good
luck. JMO</font>
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at 8:40 PM, Allan
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of them is to seal
the missing
section of the
stock fan shroud
at the bottom.</div>
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list member
offered a piece he
fabricated.</div>
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obtained one and
here are a couple
of pictures. I
hope to fit it
later this year.</div>
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a few degrees of
cooling will be
worth the effort.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Have
you looked at
this cooling
suggestions? Â <a
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<div>It works
great in
Southern
California
heat.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">My
Tiger can't
keep up with
this 100
degree weather
in Texas.Â
I've read
through the
article by
Tiger Tom and
Chuck King and
I will make
some of the
suggested
modifications.Â
They listed
two different
pusher
electric fans
in the article
but both of
them are no
longer
available.
<div><br>
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<div>So, has
anybody
recently
installed a
pusher fan?Â
If so, what
part numbers?</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
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