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In speaking to a rep. from a fan company years ago, he mentioned that a "pu=
ller" elect. fan would cool either 2 or 3 times (can't remember the number)=
as well as a "pusher" elect. fan.=C2=A0 Makes sense since modern cars seem=
s to use puller elctric's.=C2=A0 Has anyone tried just one good elect. pull=
er on a Tiger?
Mark
In a message dated 7/20/2023 1:58:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:=C2=A0
As I was reading your "journey" when you got to the Flex-a-Lite fan (initia=
l item #6) I thought it might be suspect. Most people seem to have success =
with the Maverick fan, the Volvo fan or a particular Derale fan.=C2=A0 I ca=
n see where a pusher fan might impede airflow of a mechanical puller fan bu=
t not the other way where a puller fan impedes the flow of a pusher fan. Th=
at said given the "Flex" aspect of the Flex-a-Lite fan I wonder if it creat=
es a "wall of wind" and was causing the overheating issue. Without smoke to=
see the flow of air movement I'm always baffled by things that blow over -=
and those that don't, leaves that deposit in one area of the yard - and no=
t another. So, whatever the flex fan was doing it seems germane to the itse=
lf as others have not had the same issue with the recommended fans and a pu=
sher fan. I won't ask if the fan was installed backwards (you seen way smar=
ter than that) but does the possibility exist that the fan design was for c=
ounter rotation? With serpentine belts in cars these days the rotation of t=
he water pump is often opposite of earlier engines of the same design. The =
good news is that you found a solution to your problem. Enjoy the ride.
On 7/20/2023 7:47 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers wrote:
Tiger Running hot =E2=80=93 Shotgun Approach after time of trying baby step=
s.
After about a year of struggling with car running hot at idle with the hood=
down, Hot to me is 195 degrees and above. I took drastic steps.=C2=A0 I ha=
ve been driving the car during the last year only on back roads with not mu=
ch chance of traffic lights and traffic.=C2=A0 I live in rural NC outside o=
f Pinehurst.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Bloody yahoo mail formatting ruined numberin=
g copied from MS Word, so please ignore.=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 1. Purchased and installed Sunbeam Specialties (=
SS) gloss black radiator overflow tank, missing from car.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Ale=
xander Washick=C2=A0alw6464@gmail.com which are powder coated, missing from=
car. =20
- Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert Stragh=
an=C2=A0<rgstraghan@yahoo.ca> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black
- Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen=C2=A0<d=
lutjen55@gmail.com> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.
- Purchased and installed new taller custom aluminum cross flow side tan=
k radiator from Griffin Radiator.
- Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Fo=
rd dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line u=
p.
- Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D =
from radiator.
- Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-Lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.
- Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator=
hoses.
- New top radiator hose from local source, as SS hose would not fit tall=
er radiator.
- New fan belt.
- Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fi=
t as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my=
taller radiator.=C2=A0 Striped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss =
black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.
- Installed 160 degree thermostat from 180.=C2=A0 Could not find 170 deg=
ree.=C2=A0 If anyone has a part number and supplier for a 170-degree thermo=
stat, please forward.
So at this point I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a cust=
om.=C2=A0 Other changes could make is front air dam and block front cross m=
ember to bottom of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how thing=
s play out this summer.
=C2=A0Ok after all the above I was still not satisfied with watching the te=
mperature gauge increase while at idle or in stop and go traffic.=C2=A0 Goa=
l was to keep the temperature at ALL times between 180 and 190 degrees whet=
her driving or at idle.
=C2=A0The following changes have been made since the above changes 1-13 aft=
er trial period of 6 months or so.
=C2=A0The Flow Kooler water pump started leaking so I purchased the SS wate=
r pump and installed it and drove for a month or so.=C2=A0 Install error on=
the Flow Kooler water pump gasket turned out to be the problem.=C2=A0 The =
SS water pump actually raised idle temps 2-3 degrees so I would later reins=
tall the Flow Kooler with a new gasket.
=20
- Installed a couple of 12=E2=80=9D electric pusher fans I had in the ga=
rage and wired a manual off/on switch under the dash with a relay.=C2=A0 No=
t much help or change in idle temperature while at stoplights or stop\go tr=
affic.
- Built and installed a custom fan shroud.=C2=A0 Remember I have an over=
size Griffin radiator.=C2=A0 This change resulted in idle temp. drop by may=
be 2-3 degrees.=C2=A0 Goal not achieve at this point but getting better.
- I then discussed issue with Flex-a-lite technical services hot line (m=
ultiple times) regarding their electric pusher fan line.
=20
- The rule of thumb they recommend:=C2=A0 Electric fans of either the pu=
sher or puller type should be that the electric fan should cover 70% of the=
radiator surface.=C2=A0 Mine came out to 69.5% coverage.
- Small block V-8 engines recommendation is=C2=A0 3,000 CFM.
- Flex - a- Lite had only 1 fan that met these specifications.
|=20
=C2=A0
|=20
FLX-105391
Electric Fan, Pusher, Flex-Wave, Single, 16 in. Diameter, 3,000 cfm, Black,=
20 amps,=C2=A0=20
(Mfr. #: 239)=20
|
=20
=20
- Also purchased temp probe and relay from Flex =E2=80=93 a Lite which i=
s adjustable so you can set when the fan comes on.=C2=A0 Off is 10 degrees =
from on temp and is NOT adjustable.
|=20
|=20
FLX-121281
Fan Control, Compact, Adjustable, Thread-in Probe, Single Fan, Kit=20
(Mfr. #: 33095)=20
|
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 e. Also purcha=
sed temperature probe adapter and installed in the upper radiator hose.
|=20
=C2=A0
|=20
FLX-107078
Radiator Hose Adapter, Aluminum, Fits 1 1/2 in. Hose, Has Two 1/4 in. NPT P=
orts, Includes One Plug, Each=20
(Mfr. #: 32082)=20
|
The idea was to run the stock temp gauge probe=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 into=
the adapter and keep my mechanical temperature gauge in place in the manif=
old to verify stock gauge was pretty accurate.=C2=A0 The =C2=BC NPT port wo=
uld not handle the stock probe and I could not find 1/4 probe with the corr=
ect ohms for the stock gauge, so manual temp gauge is still in place which =
I believe is accurate.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0f.=C2=A0 Goal still not achieved
=20
- Flex - a - Lite then offered the following advice =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CY=
ou typically only need one or the other. If you have a mechanical fan and j=
ust want extra cooling in stop and go traffic, I suggest you use a much sma=
ller electric fan. But using both a mechanical and this bigger electric fan=
will probably cause some disruption.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 The two smaller electr=
ic fans I used did not work in my case, so advice about smaller electric fa=
n in conjunction with mechanical water pump fan did not work in my particul=
ar car.
=C2=A0Plan =E2=80=A6. Reinstalled the Flow Kooler water pump with new gaske=
t.
=20
=20
- Removed the mechanical fan from the water pump and the 1=E2=80=9D spac=
er.=C2=A0 Finally success!=C2=A0 Temp stays between 176 and 190 at ALL time=
s regardless of ambient temperature and traffic conditions. So, in my case,=
the mechanical fan in conjunction with the electric fan was causing air fl=
ow disruption.
- =C2=A0The temp at speed above 35 mph, the car runs around 176 degrees =
with 160 degree thermostat in temps 90 degrees and less.=C2=A0 About 183 in=
temperatures above 90, so not a issue. I might try out the 180 degree ther=
mostat at some point, 170 if I could find one might be optimum for my car.=
=C2=A0 The only down side for me is the electric fan is noisy when running =
and volts on volt gauge drops around =C2=BD - =C2=BE- volt when the fan com=
es on.. The battery volts dropping are due to fan drawing 20 amps. This has=
not been a issue with lights on or off. I have a alternator and not the ge=
nerator so with generator cars, this might be an issue.=C2=A0 Now I cannot =
hear the electric fan at all inside the car but outside, it is noisy when r=
unning.=C2=A0 Headers, 2.25" exhaust pipes with Flow Master series 40 muffl=
ers.=C2=A0 I wonder why I cannot hear fan running.
=C2=A0So you see I have tried almost all recommended suggestions except low=
er shroud addition and air dam to direct airflow.
=C2=A0Every car reacts differently to changes and you have to keep trying d=
ifferent approaches that might work for your car and temperature\humidity o=
f the area you reside.
=C2=A0What changes I have made to me that had the biggest result and what w=
ould I try again in what order to minimize cost, effort and work involved.
Yahoo formatting again.=20
Test temp gauge and sender to ensure reading properly. =20
- Ensure radiator in good working order.
- Change thermostat from 180 to 170 then 160.
- Install horn block off plates, minimal cost and about 1 hour to instal=
l.
- Fan shroud if you do not have one, 2-3 degrees improvement in my case,=
custom made.=C2=A0 Possible making of the lower portion of the shroud as w=
ell, which I have not done.
- Undersize water pump pulley and at same time, try a different mechanic=
al fan and ensure fan is 1=E2=80=9D from radiator.
- Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680, 2-3 degrees improvement in my case
- New Griffin radiator.=C2=A0 They sell a package for the Tiger with rad=
iator, electric fan and shroud.=C2=A0 Remember my radiator is a custom over=
size radiator install by previous owner and the stock Griffin radiator or p=
ackage would not work in my case but I have installed a new custom Griffin =
radiator.
- Remove mechanical fan and install electric pusher fan that covers 70% =
of your radiator surface and moves 3,000 cfm=E2=80=99s as recommended for s=
mall block V-8 motors. Items 8 and 9 could be in reverse order and step 9 w=
ill not necessary if you purchase the Griffin Tiger package, your call.
=C2=A0So you see I have tried almost all recommended suggestions except low=
er shroud addition and air dam to direct air flow and have finally met my g=
oal of keeping the temperature between 180 to 190 degrees in all driving co=
nditions.=C2=A0 I hope my trials and findings will help you moving forward.=
=C2=A0 Any questions, please ask.
=C2=A0Regards
Joel Martin
=C2=A0On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 09:09:34 PM EDT, tigers-request@autox.=
team.net <tigers-request@autox.team.net> wrote:=C2=A0=C2=A0Send Tigers mail=
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=C2=A0 1. Re: Cooling Fan (LARRY PAULICK)
Joe, I did an article for Tigers United, that describes with photographs wh=
at I did for the full fans shroud.=C2=A0
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BTW, Tigers United has a lot of great articles covering the variety of subj=
ects. You might want to check it out.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
On Jul 19, 2023, at 10:31 AM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for all of the replies.=C2=A0 I have a mostly stock engine (with Ede=
lbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator.=C2=A0 I have a temperature ga=
uge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a little over 200 at =
idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car.=C2=A0 My problem=
right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when the temperature wa=
s over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and shut the engine of=
f it puked some water onto the floor.=C2=A0 The temp gauge was showing arou=
nd 250 degrees at that point.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0I already have the lower shr=
oud on my radiator and I am making some horn opening covers today.=C2=A0 I =
will also look at blocking off the area below the radiator.=C2=A0 I have re=
ad all of the articles that people have referred to and I believe I have an=
airflow problem at low speeds.=C2=A0 So I was just looking for pusher fan =
recommendations at this point.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0The best advice is to prob=
ably not drive in 100+ degree weather.=C2=A0Thanks,Joe Brown
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tiger=
, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes throu=
gh the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the radiat=
or again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own radiat=
or.=C2=A0 It works.=C2=A0
On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
I think michael hit the nail on the head.=C2=A0 first need to know is it ov=
erheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?=C2=A0a pusher fan wi=
ll only help at very low speed or when stopped.=C2=A0 and spal is the go to=
brand.=C2=A0 =C2=A0still need the horn holes and gap between cross member =
and rad blocked.=C2=A0 cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly and ca=
n be replaced with a more permanent=C2=A0solution later if you want.=C2=A0 =
also need a fan shroud.=C2=A0personally i've never needed the electric push=
er fan because i have a small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.=C2=A0 =
that creates enough pull through the radiator at idle.=C2=A0if its=C2=A0ove=
rheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem entirely and there =
are a variety=C2=A0of other things to check.=C2=A0in my case its fuel boili=
ng in the carb under certain conditions=C2=A0(slowing down after running fa=
st in really high ambient temps above a particular altitude) rather than co=
olant temp which is the problem.=C2=A0 there are a bunch of things i could =
do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but i've=C2=A0only suffered =
from it once.=C2=A0one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling i=
ssues in the tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad =
top hose.=C2=A0 at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which h=
elps with thermostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it shou=
ld look, even how blocked the radiator is.=C2=A0
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <tigers@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
I=E2=80=99ve been reading=C2=A0about cooling issues with tigers for more th=
at a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher =
fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on=C2=A0this issue=
. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first =
place to start is=C2=A0knowing what the actual=C2=A0engine team really is. =
We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as=
a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, =
Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not=C2=A0necessa=
rily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=
=80=99m not really sure is does=C2=A0anything. My=C2=A0original guage can s=
how 225-230 on =C2=A0a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has p=
ucked out fluid. The design of the should is an=C2=A0issue. It lets hot air=
from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=
=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be=C2=A0done. However, on a hot low humidity day=
.. well good luck. JMO
On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
The article includes several suggestions.=C2=A0One of them is to seal the m=
issing section of the stock fan shroud at the bottom.=C2=A0A list member of=
fered a piece he fabricated.=C2=A0I obtained one and here are a couple of p=
ictures. I hope to fit it later this year.=C2=A0Even a few degrees of cooli=
ng will be worth the effort.=C2=A0Allan BallardMk1a Tiger=C2=A0<image0.jpeg=
><image1.jpeg>
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? =C2=A0http://tigersunited.com/=
techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp=C2=A0It works grea=
t in Southern California heat.
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> w=
rote:
My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.=C2=A0 I've re=
ad through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of =
the suggested modifications.=C2=A0 They listed two different pusher electri=
c fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.=C2=A0So, ha=
s anybody recently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, what part numbers?=
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<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: #000000; font-styl=
e: normal; font-weight: bold;">In speaking to a rep. from a fan company yea=
rs ago, he mentioned that a "puller" elect. fan would cool either 2 or 3 ti=
mes (can't remember the number) as well as a "pusher" elect. fan. Mak=
es sense since modern cars seems to use puller elctric's. Has anyone =
tried just one good elect. puller on a Tiger?<br></span></div>
<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: #000000; font-styl=
e: normal; font-weight: bold;">Mark</span></div>
<br>In a message dated 7/20/2023 1:58:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@a=
utox.team.net writes:
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2px solid;">
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<p>As I was reading your "journey" when you got to the Flex-a-Lite fan (ini=
tial item #6) I thought it might be suspect. Most people seem to have succe=
ss with the Maverick fan, the Volvo fan or a particular Derale fan. I=
can see where a pusher fan might impede airflow of a mechanical puller fan=
but not the other way where a puller fan impedes the flow of a pusher fan.=
That said given the "Flex" aspect of the Flex-a-Lite fan I wonder if it cr=
eates a "wall of wind" and was causing the overheating issue. Without smoke=
to see the flow of air movement I'm always baffled by things that blow ove=
r - and those that don't, leaves that deposit in one area of the yard - and=
not another. So, whatever the flex fan was doing it seems germane to the i=
tself as others have not had the same issue with the recommended fans and a=
pusher fan. I won't ask if the fan was installed backwards (you seen way s=
marter than that) but does the possibility exist that the fan design was fo=
r counter rotation? With serpentine belts in cars these days the rotation o=
f the water pump is often opposite of earlier engines of the same design. T=
he good news is that you found a solution to your problem. Enjoy the ride.<=
/p>
<div class=3D"yiv1694449977moz-cite-prefix">On 7/20/2023 7:47 AM, Joel Mart=
in via Tigers wrote:</div>
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y: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;">
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<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12.0pt;">Tiger Running hot – Shotgun Approach after time of trying=
baby steps.</span></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12.0pt;">After about a year of struggling with car running hot at idle w=
ith the hood down, Hot to me is 195 degrees and above. I took drastic steps=
. I have been driving the car during the last year only on back roads=
with not much chance of traffic lights and traffic. I live in rural =
NC outside of Pinehurst.</span></span></p>
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"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 12.0pt;"> </span></span><span style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman;=
font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"> &=
nbsp; Bloody yahoo mail formatting ruined numbering copied from MS Word, so=
please ignore. <br></span></span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family=
: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize: 12.0pt;"> 1. Purchased and installed Sunbeam=
Specialties (SS) gloss black radiator overflow tank, missing from car.</sp=
an></span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D=
"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 12.0pt;"> 2. Purchased and installed =
overflow tank straps from <span class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtli=
dzssg">Alexander Washick</span><span class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1uncz1=
vrpvf"> <a class=3D"yiv1694449977moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto=
:alw6464@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">=
alw6464@gmail.com</a> which are powder coated</span>, missing from car.</sp=
an></span></div>
<ol style=3D"margin-top: 0in;" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from </span></span></s=
pan><span class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert Straghan=
</span><span class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"> <a class=3D=
"yiv1694449977moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:rgstraghan@yahoo.ca"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"><rgstraghan@yahoo.c=
a></a> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black</span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from </span></span></span><=
span class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1dfrtlirtlidzssg">Don Lutjen</span><sp=
an class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"> <a class=3D"yiv169444=
9977moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:dlutjen55@gmail.com"; target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"><dlutjen55@gmail.com></a> =
scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.</span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Purchased and installed new taller custom aluminum cross flow side tank ra=
diator from Griffin Radiator.</span></span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Ford d=
ark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line up.</=
span></span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1” from r=
adiator.</span></span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-Lite 14” nylon 6 blade fan.</span></sp=
an></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator hos=
es.</span></span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>New top radiator hose from local source, as SS hose would not fit taller r=
adiator.</span></span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>New fan belt.</span></span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as=
I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my tal=
ler radiator. Striped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss blac=
k – sitting on shelf.</span></span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Installed 160 degree thermostat from 180. Could not find 170 degree.=
If anyone has a part number and supplier for a 170-degree thermostat=
, please forward.</span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv1694449977=
ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-famil=
y: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">=
So at this point I do not have a fan shroud – unless make up a custom=
. Other changes could make is front air dam and block front cross mem=
ber to bottom of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things =
play out this summer.</span></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv1694449977=
ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-famil=
y: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">=
Ok after all the above I was still not satisfied with watching the te=
mperature gauge increase while at idle or in stop and go traffic. Goa=
l was to keep the temperature at ALL times between 180 and 190 degrees whet=
her driving or at idle.</span></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv1694449977=
ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-famil=
y: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">=
The following changes have been made since the above changes 1-13 aft=
er trial period of 6 months or so.</span></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv1694449977=
ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-famil=
y: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">=
</span></span></span><span class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpv=
f"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">The Flow Kooler wate=
r pump started leaking so I purchased the SS water pump and installed it an=
d drove for a month or so. Install error on the Flow Kooler water pum=
p gasket turned out to be the problem. The SS water pump actually rai=
sed idle temps 2-3 degrees so I would later reinstall the Flow Kooler with =
a new gasket.</span></span></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top: 0in;" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Installed a couple of 12” electric pusher fans I had in the garage a=
nd wired a manual off/on switch under the dash with a relay. Not much=
help or change in idle temperature while at stoplights or stop\go traffic.=
</span></span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Built and installed a custom fan shroud. Remember I have an oversize=
Griffin radiator. This change resulted in idle temp. drop by maybe 2=
-3 degrees. Goal not achieve at this point but getting better.</span>=
</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>I then discussed issue with Flex-a-lite technical services hot line (multi=
ple times) regarding their electric pusher fan line.</span></span></span></=
li>
<ol style=3D"margin-top: 0in;" start=3D"1" type=3D"a">
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>The rule of thumb they recommend: Electric fans of either the pusher=
or puller type should be that the electric fan should cover 70% of the rad=
iator surface. Mine came out to 69.5% coverage.</span></span></span><=
/li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Small block V-8 engines recommendation is 3,000 CFM.</span></span></=
span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Flex - a- Lite had only 1 fan that met these specifications.</span></span>=
</span></li>
</ol>
</ol>
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75pt;" border=3D"0" width=3D"493" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style=3D"width: 2.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" width=3D"3">
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"> </p>
</td>
<td style=3D"width: 367.25pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" valign=3D"top" wid=
th=3D"490">
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"color=
: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: xx-small;"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 9.0pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;"><a href=3D"h=
ttps://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-105391" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofo=
llow noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: black;"><span style=3D"colo=
r: black;">FLX-105391</span></span></a></span></span></strong><span style=
=3D"color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: xx-small;"><span style=3D"=
font-size: 9.0pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><br>Electric Fan, Push=
er, Flex-Wave, Single, 16 in. Diameter, 3,000 cfm, Black, 20 amps, <b=
r>(Mfr. #: 239) </span></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<ol style=3D"margin-top: 0in;" start=3D"4" type=3D"1">
<ol style=3D"margin-top: 0in;" start=3D"4" type=3D"a">
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv169444997=
7ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fami=
ly: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"=
>Also purchased temp probe and relay from Flex – a Lite which is adju=
stable so you can set when the fan comes on. Off is 10 degrees from o=
n temp and is NOT adjustable.</span></span></span></li>
</ol>
</ol>
<table class=3D"yiv1694449977yahoo-compose-table-card" style=3D"width: 6.25=
in;" border=3D"0" width=3D"600" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style=3D"width: 7.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" width=3D"10">
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"><im=
g width=3D"10" height=3D"17" border=3D"0"></span></span></p>
</td>
<td style=3D"width: 148.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" valign=3D"top" widt=
h=3D"198">
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"color=
: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: xx-small;"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 9.0pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;"><a href=3D"h=
ttps://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-121281" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofo=
llow noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: black;"><span style=3D"colo=
r: black;">FLX-121281</span></span></a></span></span></strong><span style=
=3D"color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: xx-small;"><span style=3D"=
font-size: 9.0pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><br>Fan Control, Compa=
ct, Adjustable, Thread-in Probe, Single Fan, Kit <br>(Mfr. #: 33095) </span=
></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<div class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv16944499=
77ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-fam=
ily: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;=
"> e. A</span><=
/span></span><span class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=
=3D"background-color: inherit; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: med=
ium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">lso purchased temperature probe ad=
apter and installed in the upper radiator hose.</span></span></span></div>
<table class=3D"yiv1694449977yahoo-compose-table-card" style=3D"width: 6.25=
in;" border=3D"0" width=3D"600" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style=3D"width: 7.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" width=3D"10">
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"> </p>
</td>
<td style=3D"width: 148.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in;" valign=3D"top" widt=
h=3D"198">
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"color=
: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: xx-small;"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 9.0pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;"><a href=3D"h=
ttps://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-107078" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofo=
llow noopener noreferrer"><span style=3D"color: black;"><span style=3D"colo=
r: black;">FLX-107078</span></span></a></span></span></strong><span style=
=3D"color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: xx-small;"><span style=3D"=
font-size: 9.0pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><br>Radiator Hose Adap=
ter, Aluminum, Fits 1 1/2 in. Hose, Has Two 1/4 in. NPT Ports, Includes One=
Plug, Each <br>(Mfr. #: 32082) </span></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left: .75in;=
"><span class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"backgro=
und-color: inherit; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span=
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">The idea was to run the stock temp gauge prob=
e into the adapter and keep my mechanical temperatu=
re gauge in place in the manifold to verify stock gauge was pretty accurate=
. The ¼ NPT port would not handle the stock probe and I could =
not find 1/4 probe with the correct ohms for the stock gauge, so manual tem=
p gauge is still in place which I believe is accurate.</span></span></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv1694449977=
ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-famil=
y: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">=
&nb=
sp;f. Goal still not achieved</span></span></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top: 0in;" start=3D"5" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-c=
olor: inherit; color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: mediu=
m;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: windowtext;">Flex - a - Lite t=
hen offered the following advice – “</span></span></span>You ty=
pically only need one or the other. If you have a mechanical fan and just w=
ant extra cooling in stop and go traffic, I suggest you use a much smaller =
electric fan. But using both a mechanical and this bigger electric fan will=
probably cause some disruption.” The two smaller electric fans=
I used did not work in my case, so advice about smaller electric fan in co=
njunction with mechanical water pump fan did not work in my particular car.=
</li>
</ol>
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12.0pt;"> </span></span><span style=3D"color: black; font-family: T=
imes New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color=
: black;">Plan …. Reinstalled the Flow Kooler water pump with new ga=
sket.</span></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top: 0in;" start=3D"5" type=3D"1">
<ol style=3D"margin-top: 0in;" start=3D"1" type=3D"a">
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black=
; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12.0pt; color: black;">Removed the mechanical fan from the water pump an=
d the 1” spacer. Finally success! Temp stays between 176 =
and 190 at ALL times regardless of ambient temperature and traffic conditio=
ns. So, in my case, the mechanical fan in conjunction with the electric fan=
was causing air flow disruption.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black=
; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12.0pt; color: black;"> The temp at speed above 35 mph, the car run=
s around 176 degrees with 160 degree thermostat in temps 90 degrees and les=
s. About 183 in temperatures above 90, so not a issue. I might try ou=
t the 180 degree thermostat at some point, 170 if I could find one might be=
optimum for my car. The only down side for me is the electric fan is=
noisy when running and volts on volt gauge drops around ½ - ¾=
;- volt when the fan comes on.. The battery volts dropping are due to fan d=
rawing 20 amps. This has not been a issue with lights on or off. I have a a=
lternator and not the generator so with generator cars, this might be an is=
sue. Now I cannot hear the electric fan <strong><span style=3D"font-w=
eight: bold;">at all</span></strong> inside the car but outside, it is nois=
y when running. Headers, 2.25" exhaust pipes with Flow Master series =
40 mufflers. I wonder why I cannot hear fan running.</span></span></l=
i>
</ol>
</ol>
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;=
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: black;"> </span><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 12.0pt;">So you see I have tried almost all recommended suggestions exc=
ept lower shroud addition and air dam to direct airflow.</span></span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;=
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: black;"> Every car reacts differently =
to changes and you have to keep trying different approaches that might work=
for your car and temperature\humidity of the area you reside.</span></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;=
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: black;"> What changes I have made to m=
e that had the biggest result and what would I try again in what order to m=
inimize cost, effort and work involved.</span></span></p>
<div class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D=
"color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: black;">Yahoo formatting again. <br></span><=
/span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: blac=
k; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">Test temp gauge and sender to ensure reading pr=
operly.</span></span></div>
<ol style=3D"margin-top: 0in;" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an style=3D"color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; fo=
nt-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">Ensure radiator in goo=
d working order.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an style=3D"color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; fo=
nt-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">Change thermostat from=
180 to 170 then 160.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an style=3D"color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; fo=
nt-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">Install horn block off=
plates, minimal cost and about 1 hour to install.</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an style=3D"color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; fo=
nt-size: medium;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">Fan shroud if you do n=
ot have one, 2-3 degrees improvement in my case, custom made. Possibl=
e making of the lower portion of the shroud as well, which I have not done.=
</span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-c=
olor: inherit; color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: mediu=
m;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: windowtext;">Undersize water p=
ump pulley and at same time, try a different mechanical fan and ensure fan =
is 1” from radiator.</span></span></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-c=
olor: inherit; color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: mediu=
m;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: windowtext;">Flow Kooler water=
pump BRA-1680, </span></span></span>2-3 degrees improvement in my case</li=
>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-c=
olor: inherit; color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: mediu=
m;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: windowtext;">New Griffin radia=
tor. They sell a package for the Tiger with radiator, electric fan an=
d shroud. Remember my radiator is a custom oversize radiator install =
by previous owner and the stock Griffin radiator or package would not work =
in my case but I have installed a new custom Griffin radiator.</span></span=
></span></li>
<li class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal" style=3D"color: black;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1uncz1vrpvf"><span style=3D"background-c=
olor: inherit; color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: mediu=
m;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: windowtext;">Remove mechanical=
fan and install electric pusher fan that covers 70% of your radiator surfa=
ce <strong><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">and </span></strong>moves 3,0=
00 cfm’s as recommended for small block V-8 motors. Items 8 and 9 cou=
ld be in reverse order and step 9 will not necessary if you purchase the Gr=
iffin Tiger package, your call.</span></span></span></li>
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<p class=3D"yiv1694449977ydpc0f68ac1MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;=
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: black;"> So you see I have tried almos=
t all recommended suggestions except lower shroud addition and air dam to d=
irect air flow and have finally met my goal of keeping the temperature betw=
een 180 to 190 degrees in all driving conditions. I hope my trials an=
d findings will help you moving forward. Any questions, please ask.<b=
r></span></span></p>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for all of the replies. I have a mostly stock=
engine (with Edelbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator. I have=
a temperature gauge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a li=
ttle over 200 at idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car.=
My problem right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when t=
he temperature was over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and s=
hut the engine off it puked some water onto the floor. The temp gauge=
was showing around 250 degrees at that point.
<div> </div>
<div>I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some ho=
rn opening covers today. I will also look at blocking off the area be=
low the radiator. I have read all of the articles that people have re=
ferred to and I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds. So I=
was just looking for pusher fan recommendations at this point.  =
;</div>
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<div>The best advice is to probably not drive in 100+ degree weather.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers <<a cla=
ss=3D"yiv1694449977moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.=
net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">tigers@autox.te=
am.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock =
tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes =
through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the r=
adiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own r=
adiator. It works. <br>
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<blockquote>
<div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <<a class=3D"yiv1694449977=
moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">owain.lloyd@gmail.com</a>> wrot=
e:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-s=
tyle: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; t=
ext-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoratio=
n-line: none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentc=
olor;">I think michael hit the nail on the head. first need to know i=
s it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
<div> </div>
<div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped. a=
nd spal is the go to brand. still need the horn holes and gap b=
etween cross member and rad blocked. cardboard and zip ties does the =
trick quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent solution later=
if you want. also need a fan shroud.
<div> </div>
<div>personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a =
small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley. that creates enough pull=
through the radiator at idle.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem=
entirely and there are a variety of other things to check.</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions =
(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a parti=
cular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem. there =
are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield=
, but i've only suffered from it once.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the t=
iger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose. =
; at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with ther=
mostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, even =
how blocked the radiator is.</div>
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <<a class=3D"yi=
v1694449977moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; tar=
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<div><span style=3D"font-size: large;">I’ve been reading about c=
ooling issues with tigers for more that a decade (much less than some readi=
ng this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire stud=
ies have been done on this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club sit=
e. All good reads! I think the first place to start is knowing what th=
e actual engine team really is. We all know that the original temp gua=
ge can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degr=
ees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degree=
s easily and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher =
in mine only because I had one. I’m not really sure is does anyt=
hing. My original guage can show 225-230 on a hot day (humidity =
plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the should=
is an issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get under=
the radiator. Many, many, ‘fixes’ that can be done. Howev=
er, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</span>
<div>
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<blockquote>
<div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <<a class=3D"yiv16944499=
77moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com"; target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>> =
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: no=
rmal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-tran=
sform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: =
none; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor; fl=
oat: none; display: inline;">The article includes several suggestions.</spa=
n>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"> <=
/div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">One of =
them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the bottom.<=
/div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"> <=
/div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">A list =
member offered a piece he fabricated.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"> <=
/div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">I obtai=
ned one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this year=
.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"> <=
/div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">Even a =
few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"> <=
/div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">Allan B=
allard</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;">Mk1a Ti=
ger</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; =
text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;"> <=
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<blockquote>On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <<a class=3D"yiv16=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? <a clas=
s=3D"yiv1694449977moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/te=
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<div>It works great in Southern California heat.</div>
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On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <<a class=3D"yiv169444=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Tex=
as. I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I w=
ill make some of the suggested modifications. They listed two differe=
nt pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer avail=
able.
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<div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan? If so, what par=
t numbers?</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
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