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David
Paper receipts are not Carbon Neutral, todays political =
key words and talking points.
You would need a smart phone with an app to use a telephone charging =
station. I don=E2=80=99t think my flip phone is smart enough or it may =
just be me.
=20
Gary mentioned the Tesla supercharger network. They are concentrating =
on cities, as they should, that is where it is really needed. =20
Out in the countryside its different. It does not seem like anyone is =
even thinking about the kind of network needed for the country folks.
=20
The local Transit Bus station here is not that impressed with Tesla =
charging stations for buses. They had to hire extra people because =
the charging station would shut off at night before the charge was =
completed. The extra workers have to shut the chargers off then on =
again to get the complete 8 hr. charge.
=20
Fortunately there have only been a few EV vehicle fires, that we know =
about. The fire start slow enough for the people to get out but you =
really can=E2=80=99t put out a lithium battery fire until it burns out. =
This problem needs better solutions so it never happens.
=20
I=E2=80=99m not against EV vehicles, I just think the politician are =
forcing them down our throats before the Technology is ready.
=20
What happens to an EV when submerged in sea water?
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Sosna =
via Tigers
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 1:12 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
=20
Hey, Ron:
I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is =
largely theoretical for me.
I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole. Seriously. Travelling =
between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip =
out my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity =
provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a =
receipt. Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper =
on each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89
Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric =
utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; =
conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of =
phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.
There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing =
your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =
=F0=9F=98=81
Best Regards
David Sosna
=20
On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated =
that there were several different engine sounds in the controller =
including Ferrari and more were being developed. Alright, a Prius with =
Ferrari engine sound.
=20
I think Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be without =
the latest electronic gismo. Borla will make a profit until the craze =
evaporates or a government body says NO more please.
=20
Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of =
petrol engine by 2035. My 1st question would be how many of those =
politicians own an EV now? My guess, few.
=20
IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the =
consequences. The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are =
not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime =
time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees =
F, I=E2=80=99m not interested. Regional Transit here has some EV buses =
and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t use them, the range drops too =
far. =20
=20
I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.
=20
EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country =
folks drive longer distances for everything including work. Some of =
those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter =
unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
=20
<tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of GARY WINBLAD
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
=20
This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just =
don't adapt=20
to modern technology.=20
Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the =
power grid won't support=20
all of them.=20
Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry =
about this one.=20
Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged =
electricity. All=20
our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on =
trips, great=20
transportation device!=20
73,=20
Gary=20
Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build =
one myself. The=20
Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching =
sounder to warm blind=20
pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble =
would be so much=20
better.=20
On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net =
=20
=20
Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as =
stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are =
worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an =
approaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears =
my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. =
We will probably replace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the =
near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the =
juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We =
almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a =
charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I =
think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to =
be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to =
buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point =
of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running =
right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm. =20
With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see =
EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. =
AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes =
of my bicycle as a kid! =20
JMHO=20
Cheers=20
Jim B
On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver@gmail.com =
=20
Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang =
MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).=20
=20
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr@gmail.com =
Just what every EV owner needs...=20
=20
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<https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-veh=
icles/> Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles=20
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>David<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Paper receipts are not <u>Carbon =
Neutral</u>, todays political key words and talking =
points.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>You would need a smart phone =
with an app to use a telephone charging station.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I =
don=E2=80=99t think my flip phone is smart enough or it may just be =
me.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gary mentioned the Tesla supercharger =
network.=C2=A0=C2=A0 They are concentrating on cities, as they should, =
that is where it is really needed.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Out in the countryside its different.=C2=A0 It does =
not seem like anyone is even thinking about the kind of network needed =
for the country folks.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The local =
Transit Bus station here is not that impressed with Tesla charging =
stations for buses.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 They had to hire extra people =
because the charging station would shut off at night before the charge =
was completed.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The extra workers have to shut the chargers =
off then on again to get the complete 8 hr. charge.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Fortunately =
there have only been a few EV vehicle fires, that we know =
about.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The fire start slow enough for the people to get out =
but you really can=E2=80=99t put out a lithium battery fire until it =
burns out.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This problem needs better solutions so it never =
happens.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m not against EV vehicles, I just think the =
politician are forcing them down our throats before the Technology is =
ready.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What happens to an EV when submerged in sea =
water?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
<tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Sosna =
via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 03, 2022 1:12 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> tigers@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] =
The answer to a question that no one =
asked...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Hey, =
Ron:<o:p></o:p></p><p>I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't =
have an EV, so this is largely theoretical for me.<o:p></o:p></p><p>I =
like the idea of a charger on each phone pole. Seriously. =
Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone =
pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular =
electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction =
and get a receipt. Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll =
of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. <span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif'>😉</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>Given that my city =
is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric utilities, a lack of =
phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; conventional =
charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole =
chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are =
now.<o:p></o:p></p><p>There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't =
work and I'm guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still =
like it--it's elegant. <span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif'>😁</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>Best =
Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p>David =
Sosna<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated =
that there were several different engine sounds in the controller =
including Ferrari and more were being developed. Alright, a =
Prius with Ferrari engine sound.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I think =
Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be without the =
latest electronic gismo. Borla will make a profit until the =
craze evaporates or a government body says NO more =
please.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Seems to me California and New York have already =
banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035. My 1<sup>st</sup> =
question would be how many of those politicians own an EV =
now? My guess, few.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>IMO the =
politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the =
consequences. The power grid is not ready, the charging =
stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally =
ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified =
for 20 degrees F, I=E2=80=99m not interested. Regional =
Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t =
use them, the range drops too far. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I would only =
consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>EV vehicles =
are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks drive =
longer distances for everything including work. Some of =
those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter =
unless they put a charging station on every telephone =
pole.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers <a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";><tigers-bounces@autox.te=
am.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>GARY WINBLAD<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, =
October 03, 2022 8:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jim B <a =
href=3D"mailto:jbsyv@yahoo.com";><jbsyv@yahoo.com></a>; Jim B via =
Tigers <a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";><tigers@autox.team.net></a><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one =
asked...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>This =
same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't =
adapt <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>to modern =
technology. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Nothing wrong =
with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid won't =
support <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>all of them. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Most of us Tiger guys =
won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this one. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Most of my miles now is =
our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity. All =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>our local trips can be =
done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>transportation device! =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>73, =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Gary =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Oh, I like that sound =
device, I have been thinking of how I could build one myself. The =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Prius has the worst worn =
out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>pedestrians.. where the =
heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble would be so much =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>better. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Okay, here is my take. My first impression is =
this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere =
that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worried about deaf and/or =
blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I =
can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into =
traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace my =
wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already =
have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I =
plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel =
far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us =
California guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long =
gone before there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down =
the line, it will probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not =
bad already) but, I have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger =
and my big block Ford just to keep em running right. Car shows and =
Sunday drives are the norm. </span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>With all that said; =
I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers =
gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to =
admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of =
my bicycle as a kid! </span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>JMHO</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Cheers</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Jim =
B</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jd.sencindiver@gmail.com";>jd.sencindiver@gmail.com</a>>=
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed =
on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV). =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sabre2tgr@gmail.com";>sabre2tgr@gmail.com</a>> wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Just what =
every EV owner needs... </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-elect=
ric-vehicles/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Borla =
Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
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